[Tornado]

Originally Posted by krellik

I agree that dumbells have benefits over ketlebells, just like kettlebells can have benefits over dumbells. However there are more than me that find them to be a helpfull tool, and hence popularising something that is good, makes you cool in my book.
I have only glanced over power to the people (yep didnt pay for it...) but I already think that I would rate it higher that combat conditioning. However I dont think combat conditioning is a bad little book at all, if you happen to download it for free that is (that Ross later crushed him with his underground guide doesnt help his case either..). It is after publishing that little text that Furey become the anoying monkey that he is.

So my opinion is that Pavel is a lot of gimicks with some substance behind it, where Furey dont have any real substance at all.

I also think Furey was pretty genuine when he came out with CC but then turned into a fucking thief after that. I have to admit though, that I did shell out the cash for the combat conditioning course (books and tapes) and although i wasn't overly pleased, i wasn't dissapointed either. The tapes weren't worth the money because I honestly believe his demonstration of the hindu squat (which is the focal point of his course) is flat out wrong. He just doesn't know how to do them (and admitted on tape that he was still improving at the time!). The book is a decent reference for bodyweight exercises but his progression schemes are terrible and he explains nothing about breathing. Pavel attempts this with PTP and The Naked Warrior but he still falls short, especially when it came to the breath component of training (which in my opinion will make or break your lifetime training efforts, it's that important).

Kettlebells are a fun way to train, but having the weight's CM away from your hand doesn't necessarily make using them any more difficult like some of the Pavelites claim. For fuck's sake, in many if not most of the strength movements I do with kettlebells, the weight is resting on my wrist/forearm which makes lifting them easier because the weight is closer to your own CM.

They're not a gimmick nor are they anything esoteric but Pavel and his 'comrades' seem to be putting on a sense of hardcoreness that they really don't deserve. In the end it's boils down to "lift weight, put weight down. lift weight, put weight down...." It doesn't matter what you lift, as long as you lift something and something different from time to time.

[krellik]

Originally Posted by ENTROPY

Dumbells have several benefits that kettlebells simply do not have.

The same is simply not true of kettlebells.

If you think otherwise, please list some benefits.

Who is Ross, and how did he crush him?

Well ehm you can juggle them..;) For me kettlebells has a similar relation to dumbells as dumbells have to barbells. Grip would be one benefit, but I do supose thickbar dumbells perhaps could have similar benefits. Im not a kettlebell junkie by any means but I do believe that it is a helpfull tool among many, personaly I choose other tools like sandbags before kettlebells since those little balls is quite expensive...


With Ross I mean Ross Enamit www.warriorforce.com, who with his book "underground guide to warrior fitness" made basicly the ultimate book about training with only your bodyweight, and since it is so good it makes Fureys combat conditioning look really bad. Basicly everytime anybody starts to say something good about Furey you can do them a benefit and point them towards Ross Enamit instead.

[Madmick]

Originally Posted by ENTROPY

Who is Ross, and how did he crush him?

Ross Enamait. I think he's saying Ross wrote a better guerrilla-style internet-marketed book.

[ENTROPY]

Originally Posted by krellik

Well ehm you can juggle them..;) For me kettlebells has a similar relation to dumbells as dumbells have to barbells. Grip would be one benefit, but I do supose thickbar dumbells perhaps could have similar benefits. Im not a kettlebell junkie by any means but I do believe that it is a helpfull tool among many, personaly I choose other tools like sandbags before kettlebells since those little balls is quite expensive...


With Ross I mean Ross Enamit www.warriorforce.com, who with his book "underground guide to warrior fitness" made basicly the ultimate book about training with only your bodyweight, and since it is so good it makes Fureys combat conditioning look really bad. Basicly everytime anybody starts to say something good about Furey you can do them a benefit and point them towards Ross Enamit instead.

Consider the following:

* Every movement that is performed using kettlebells can be performed with dumbbells.

* Dumbells are weight adjustable, and are far cheaper than kettlebells.

Given these facts, I am not sold on kettlebells considering that they’re nothing more than overpriced, non-adjustable, gimmick laden, funny shaped dumbbells.

By the way, thank's for the Ross Enamit info...

[farmboy]

Entropy, your posts on this subject have been pure gold! Very informative and well thought out.

I just can't believe how much more freakin' expensive kettle bells are than dumbbells. I found, on the same site, a 30lb kettle bell for 64.95 as opposed to a pair of 30lb dumbbells for 53.95. What gives?

[ENTROPY]

You got it bro...

Truth to the people is more important than supposed power to the people.

[Flounder]

Originally Posted by farmboy

I just can't believe how much more freakin' expensive kettle bells are than dumbbells. I found, on the same site, a 30lb kettle bell for 64.95 as opposed to a pair of 30lb dumbbells for 53.95. What gives?

It's prolly volume. They proly sell a ton of regular dumbbells, but no where near as many kettle bells, thus they need to charge more for the kettle bells. Or it could be to add a sense that kettle bells are better because they're more expensive.

[Duncon76]

Hmm, what about clubbells ??

[Grady]

That Ross Enamait site is pretty nice. I just read his jumprope article, http://www.rossboxing.com/thegym/thegym26.htm

Cool video in there - I think I am going to pick up a rope. Cheapo cardio!

[ENTROPY]

Good old Ross Enamait.

Not trying to be a hater, but I'm not sold on him either.

I don't respect someone who discusses certain topics that he has an elementary knowledge of which he markets to unsuspecting kids...