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Old 09-04-2006, 10:35 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Hi guys. The last seven/eight months I've gotten really into training in bjj and mma. I had two fights and was doing bjj tournaments every now and then. I was also lifting, but I was lifting for fight power and fight endurance. I was actually doing a routine from Ultimate Grappling magazine for a long while. Since I've started college a few weeks ago all I've been doing is lifting and I would like to pack on some mass before I start any training again. Basically, I've just been doing to routine from the grappling magazine but with heavier weights and less reps.

Here's my routine, reps and sets vary slightly:

Day 1: Chest

Bench Press [This I've kind of been changing every week. I feel kind of lost actually. I'll post what I did last I week and what I did this week]
last week:
1 set - 30 reps (warmup)
1 set - 10 reps
2 sets - 6 reps
2 sets- 4 reps

this week:
1 set - 30 reps (warmup)
1 set - 2 reps
1 set - 1 rep
3 sets - 6 reps
1 set - 60% of max to failure (I did 20 reps)

Incline Dumbbell Press
4 sets - 12, 10, 8, 6 reps

Dumbbell Fly's
3 sets - 20, 15, 10 reps

Dips 3 sets to failure

Day 2: Back and forearms

Bent Over Rows
3 to 4 or maybe 5 sets - been progressively going heavier from 12, 10, 10 to 10, 8, 6 to 10, 6, 6, 6

Deadlifts
3 to 4 sets - been progressively going heavier from 12, 10, 10 to 10, 8, 6 to 10, 6, 6

Dumbbell Rows:
2 sets - 15, 8
or
3 sets - 12, 10, 8

Overhead Plate lifts
3 sets to max using 25lb plate, 35lb, 45lb

Ill do back extensions sometimes to usually 3 sets to max with like a super set of using 25 lbs plate, then 10 lb and then no weight.

Forearm barbell curl:
3 sets - 12, 10, 8

Forearm dumbbell reverse curl:
3 sets - 12, 10, 8

Day 3: Triceps and Biceps
3 of 4 following exercises:

Behind the head dumbbell press:
3 sets - 12, 10, 8

Skull Crushers:
3 sets - 12, 10, 8

Close Grip Bench Press:
3 sets - 12, 10, 8

Cable Pushdown followed up with overhead cable press (go from one to the other without rest = one set)
3 sets 12, 10, 8

and always 3 sets of dips to failure

then for biceps Ill usually do:
Preacher Curls
12, 10, 8 or 10, 6, 6
followed by something like hammer curls and barbell curls, sometimes I throw in concentrations. unlike most people I understand that the bicep a small muscle easily overtrained so Im not too concerned about it.

Day 4: Rest


Day 5: Shoulders and Traps

Dumbbell Press:
3 sets - 12, 10, 8

Upright Barbell Rows:
4 sets - 10 x 4

Lateral Raises:
3 sets - 12, 10, 8 and then I usually throw in super set

Front Dumbbell Raises or Front Cable Raises:
2 sets - 20 reps

Barbell Shrugs:
3/4 sets - 20, 10, 10, 6

Day 6: Legs

Barbell Squat:
3/4 sets - 12, 10, 8, 6 or 10, 8, 6, 4

Leg Press:
4 sets - 10, 6, 6, 6

Leg Extension (I want to do these first but some #@*% is always on it)
3 sets: 30, 20, 10

Leg Curls:
2 sets - 20 reps

Calf:
Ill do 2 different exercises for this (whatever machines they have at the gym, I dont know what to call them, they're both calf raises)
exercise one - 3 sets - 15 reps
exercose two - 3 sets - 15 reps

Day 7: Rest

and I always do pullups. Usually every other day and 5 sets to max. I used to do the Armstrong pullup program, if any of you have ever heard of that (and if anyone ever feels like murdering their forearms, throw your gi over the bar and do pullups holding on to the lapel).

Also, I've been trying to stuff my face at every meal (with healthy food). I am not taking a protein supplement, but I probably will start again soon. I drink a lot of boost high protein shakes anyway if any of you know what those are. My pre-workout meals have been non-existant but Ive been trying to grab an apple or multigrain snack bar. Post workout I put a scoop of whey protein powder in a gatorade (and also a little scoop of creatine powder..because I have it b/c i used to make my own creatine mix but now Im too lazy to get more dextrose and measure the shit out). I know there is a seperate forum for this but training and diet go hand in hand so I thought Id just share.

So basically Im feeling kind of lost on my Chest and Back days especially. When I was lifting ligher with a lot more reps I had a pretty structured workout, but now Im not sure what reps and sets I should be doing each week. I've mostly been staying in between 10-6 rep sets as you can say. BTW, I weigh 145 lbs right now, my max is 225lbs on bench. Also, I feel like Im spending way too much time in the gym, I add on sets a lot b/c I feel like I still have a lot left (even though I was going hard and couldnt do another rep on previous sets). Any advice is welcome. thanks.

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Old 09-04-2006, 10:41 PM   #2 (permalink)

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That routine is absolute garbage.
Read this:
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Old 09-04-2006, 11:18 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Where did you get that routine?
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Old 09-04-2006, 11:20 PM   #4 (permalink)

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That routine is absolute garbage.
Read this:
http://www.eclipsegym.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57

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I'll bump this. Your routine needs a major overhaul. Click the linkk above.
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Old 09-05-2006, 04:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Have to agree with others ....that routine is garbage....

Forget all the curls, leg extensions(good way to fuck up your knees), upright row(good way to fuck up your shoulders), leg press(good way to waste time and think you're strong), front raises(useless since most pressing lifts tax front delts heavily)..etc


Focus your lifting program around heavy barbell compound exercises.....while you're trying to gain weight....stop thinking in terms of bodyparts and think in terms of movements...as a MMAer you should concentrate on strength rather than muscle gains...

something like

Mon
OHP(Militaries, Push Press, Jerks) 3x3
Bench variation 2x5
Dips 2x5


Thu
Squats/Deadlifts(rotated every week) 3x3
Lunges/Bulgarian Split Squats/Step Ups 2x5
BOR/Chins 2x5

you can add ab work on top of that like crunches, twistss, etc......prehab for shoulders is good...

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Old 09-05-2006, 07:40 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Give the dude some credit. Granted, he's got a lot of wasted movements in there and his routine needs a bit of an overhauling, but at least he squats and deadlifts.

OK... credit given. Proceed with well-deserved criticism.
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Old 09-05-2006, 01:31 PM   #7 (permalink)

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My lifts used to be structured similar to this with core lifts mon, wed, and friday (I did other stuff on tues and thurs though and reppage was totally different). Anyway, Ive been reading a bit the past day. What do you guys think of a routine like this:

Monday:
Squats 5x5 (same weight)
Bench 5x5 (same weight)
Rows 5x5 (same weight)
Triceps

Wednesday:
Squats 5x5 (reduced 15%)
Military Press 5x5 (same weight)
Deadifts 5x5 (same weight)
Weighted pull ups 5x5
Biceps and grip

Friday:
Squats 5x5 (working up each set)
Bench 5x5 (same weight)
Rows 5x5 (same weight)
Triceps

(when I say triceps, biceps, and grip I mean like two low volume isolated exercises)

I dont really want to mess with the program at all but I added on triceps, biceps, and grip.

I have a few questions:
Should I scratch the triceps on mon./fri. and bicep/grip on wed. and just do them once a week together on saturday?
Can I do pullups/dips more often?
Can I ever add in (light weight?) fly's, decline dumbbell press, lateral raises, shrugs, and calf raises? If I kept tricepts/biceps/grip as I posted above, would it be okay to do these 'extra' exercises on saturday?
On friday can I make it incline bench instead of flat and can I work up the weight on bench and rows as well?
And just a general question now: what is your stance on pushups? I used to do 3 max effort sets everyday, but I stopped b/c I felt like they were taking away from my effort in the weight room.
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By the way (and sorry for the double post), I used the routine in post #1 above while training for both my fights (with more reps and less sets). I lost weight and felt stronger on the mat and in the ring and my muscle endurance was definitely better. To say it's total garbage from a power lifting stand point is true. To say that its total garbage if your goal is to bench 500 lbs is true. But to say its garbage for someone who's goal is to win a fight or a wrestling match is not. I realize that for power and size there are better ways to go about it, that is why I posted here.
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But to say its garbage for someone who's goal is to win a fight or a wrestling match is not. I realize that for power and size there are better ways to go about it, that is why I posted here.

Well I'll straight off disagree with the first point.

But I'm a stand up guy, MMA boys train differently. But what you posted is very much a BBesk routine. You'll waste time in the gym that can be better put to recovering for your next porper sport orienated training session
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. . .upright row(good way to fuck up your shoulders). . .
Can you elaborate on how uprights could fuck up your shoulders, because I've never heard that before.
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