[yomon]

I was just thinking, could there be more this dynamic and isometric tension then we think?

i only bring this up because ive noticed on myself muscles that shouldn't be getting worked doing what i'm doing are growing and the only thing i can think of is somebodys slipping me drugs or the simple act of flexing to keep stability during an exercise can actualy strengthen muscles.

if you think about it, it's really not all that crazy because what happens when you force against resistance. your muscle makes a tension level based on the load being put on the muscle.

now are we actualy capable of making our own muscles contract to a tension level that would actualy cause strength gain?

i know i don't know, do you? do a little test for yourself.

turn your chair to the side away from your computer and while sitting, flex as much as you possibly can and do some air bench pressing while sitting in your chair.

as i wrote this, right after that last scentance, i tried to do as many as possible flexing to absolute maximum i could attain through the whole motion.

i don't know how many you can do, but flexing as hard as i can doing the air benchpress i was only able to do 12 untill my form went to shit and my muscles were screaming.

i'm intriuged anyways, i'm going to experiment with this and report back.

i know that this used to be an old bodybuilding trick but i want to see if it has any implications at all for strength gain. i'm going to try it while doing my bodyweight routien and see what happens. Can you even contract to the point of cns breakdown? only one way to find out!

EDIT:lol i just did air shrugs, and there is definate workout fatiuge. i don't know more experiments are needed. Anyone willing to devote some time and try this with me?

EDIT: a simple way to get you max contraction is to imagin your moving a bar with 8 or 10 plates.

LMAO OMG AIR DEADLIFTS!!!!!!! LMAO (ps i'm joking about that last one) i think i'm loosing my fucking mind

edit: or am I? hell if your tallented anough to max flex all the muscles used in a deadlift at the same time while doing the movement go for it.

[yomon]

oh no! carnals online! here comes the shit storm

i know this seams pretty gay but the scary part is it might actualy work to some degree.

EDIT:i was just doing some reading and it seams the Thai monks do this. not with actual exercises
but long flowing movements. i duno i'm intriuged

[yomon]

i'm from bizzaro world! EAT MY MAGIC BEANS!

my diet has been too clean for the past month, i think my brains eating itself

[Noskill]

Originally Posted by yomon

i don't know how many you can do, but flexing as hard as i can doing the air benchpress i was only able to do 12 untill my form went to shit and my muscles were screaming.

Don't let your form degrade, you'll hurt yourself.

I do what you describe quite often, except just for 2 reps or three, but not to get stronger or bigger, I don't really do it on purpose, it's just the desire to lift on rest days that makes me do it. I check soreness that way.

IMO it has no value.
Yomon, maybe you should think more 'inside the box' and let the lifting tradition of what works and what doesn't guide what you do. I've spent my time of funky experimenting with lifting and the only thing it has given me is knowledge of what DOES NOT WORK.

[yomon]

ok mybe i need to be a little more clear. i don't mean just doing it with nothing lik ethe example i said to try. I meant to do it with bodyweigth exercisses.

side note: OMG i found a book on dynamic tension made by a guy named Harry Wong
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086...13453?n=283155 LOL

[Noskill]

Then this is like ACIT but on the positive contraction as well...
IMO you'll be wasting valuable time for your goal of GFS.

[yomon]

you may be right i might be digging a little to far outside the box here with this one, but hell it's always a good way to learn something.


by the way what the hell is ACIT

[Noskill]

ACIT

ACIT -the revolutionary training method- is finally here

Another load of horseshit.
(Post whoring tonight to get my avatar)

[yomon]

Originally Posted by Noskill

ACIT

ACIT -the revolutionary training method- is finally here

Another load of horseshit.
(Post whoring tonight to get my avatar)

ah good show! i see the simularities now. my favorite quote from urban

"because the lifter "makes" it difficult. why even bother with weight at all? why not just flex and move?"

edit: i still laugh every time i think about this.

think i'm going to go cheak myself in at the nerest insane assylum but i think i stil see a benefit that needs to be debunked. what if you did a program like this on the side along with your normal strength training and plyometrics? Essencialy you would add usefull muscle tissue that could later be activated for higher absolute strength right?

or should i just book into that insane assylum now?

[yomon]

actualy that article was fairly intruiging. I realize completly now this this will do nothing for strength. but if it can increase crossection why not?

i'm guna try this crap in addition to the bodywieght exercisses i do and write back to ya.

according to linked article. doing something like this can increase fast twitch musle fibers due to decreasing time to fatuige slow twitch, by way of starving the muscle of cirulation.

this is obviously not a method of training by itself, just something to add to your training.

but i say an increased arsenal can only lead to better performance.


no matter what people write i still have to experience things for myself.