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Old 07-16-2008, 08:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bulking Plateau - Help Needed

I've been bulking (first time) for the past 3 months. The first ~6 weeks I was gaining regularely and went from 177 to 191. ~5 or 6 weeks ago I hit a plateau and as of now I still can't get past 191.

I highly doubt it's my diet (I eat minimum 4000 calories a day, clean; lots of protein) so it must be how I workout. I started out on the Rippetoe Starting Strength program but stopped doing deadlift & pendlay rows ~7 weeks in because of lower back pain due to poor form (I watched a ton of videos/read a few articles but still messed them up somehow - I'm assuming out of arrogance [adding too much weight]).

Also, the last couple weeks my body hasn't been able to handle squatting 3x a week like I usually do. Now I squat once a week; twice at most. Reason being is I've doubled the weight from when I first started 3 months ago and my legs only rest on Sat/Sun as I have Muay Thai twice a week (which, in addition to squats, takes its toll).

Should I wait to bring back deadlift (when my back feels 100%) or start up again now, doing it with very low weight?

Anyways, as of late, my workout plan has basically looked like this:

Mon/Wed/Fri:
3x5 Benchpress
3x5 Squat (once or twice a week)
3x5 Dumbbell Row
4x5 Barbell Curl
4x5 Tricep Extensions

Tues/Thurs:
Muay Thai 90min

Any advice on how to get past this plateau and start gaining again?

Oh, and in case in matters - I'm 18 and 6'3.
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I've been bulking (first time) for the past 3 months. The first ~6 weeks I was gaining regularely and went from 177 to 191. ~5 or 6 weeks ago I hit a plateau and as of now I still can't get past 191.

I highly doubt it's my diet (I eat minimum 4000 calories a day, clean; lots of protein) so it must be how I workout. .


Your doubt is misplaced. If you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough. Plain and simple. You can lift all you want, but if you are not in a caloric surplus you're going nowhere. 4000 calories isn't necessarily a whole lot if you are training hard in the weight room and in the ring at your age.
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Your doubt is misplaced. If you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough. Plain and simple. You can lift all you want, but if you are not in a caloric surplus you're going nowhere. 4000 calories isn't necessarily a whole lot if you are training hard in the weight room and in the ring at your age.
2x a week Squats and adding back in DL's won't hurt either
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Mix your rep ranges up abit more.

Maybe get away from the full body workouts and do an upper/lower split or a push/pull split so you can do more volume which may get you some growth. Basically, do things differently to what youve been doing.
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Your doubt is misplaced. If you aren't gaining weight, you aren't eating enough. Plain and simple. You can lift all you want, but if you are not in a caloric surplus you're going nowhere. 4000 calories isn't necessarily a whole lot if you are training hard in the weight room and in the ring at your age.
I was gaining fine until I switched from Karate to Muay Thai. Muay Thai has been much more conditioning-intensive, though I didn't think it would make that much of a difference. I've also been playing 2-3 hour games of soccer on Saturdays. I suppose these are the things that burning off all my excess calories. I'll add 1000 more calories a day in almonds/organic peanut butter/eggs and see where things go from there.

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Wake up every night at 2 am and drink a casein protein shake w/ milk. And oh ya, eat more
I go to bed at 2am - and that's when I have my casein shake w/ milk lol.

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Mix your rep ranges up abit more.

Maybe get away from the full body workouts and do an upper/lower split or a push/pull split so you can do more volume which may get you some growth. Basically, do things differently to what youve been doing.
I Googled this but I'm still a little confused. Are you suggesting every day I do push/pull split or one day I do purely push, the next purely pull, next push, etc. etc. If you can elaborate more on what you're saying it would be appreciated.

Thanks for the responses.
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