[Aesopian]

A while back, I made a thread about some wrestling I had stolen from a guy at my gym. It received little fanfare and fell into oblivion, likely because it made no sense in text alone.

But with my sudden binge of taking photos and plastering them all over the internet, I cornered Tim, the wrestler (and BJJ purple belt), and had him demonstrate the move for the camera. I thought this was a great move ever since it was first used on me, and I thought it was a great example of how wrestling can be adapted to BJJ.

I will do my best to hamfistedly use wrestling terminology where appropriate, but I expect I'll get some of it wrong.



You are on top in referee's position, with your right arm hugging the waist and your left hand by the elbow.



From another angle, you can see how you need to have hip-to-hip contant and post with your rear leg to maintain pressure on the bottom man.



With your left arm, chop out their near elbow.



Action shot of their arm bending from the chop.



With them arm bent in, reach under the armpit and gets a two-on-one on the near arm.

[Aesopian]

A close-up of the two-on-one grip. Use this to pull their arm under them and break them down.



Once you have got the arm broken down, take your right arm out of their far side.



Reach under their near side and grabs their wrist.



In this close up, you can see that you maintain the grip on the forearm with your left hand, and your right hand (the near one) is now grabbing the wrist, palm up.

With this grip, keep pulling their arm out, like you want to bring it behind their back.



Keeps pulling the arm until it's out to their side, then sits out, dropping your left shoulder to the mat.



Keep pulling the arm behind the back to chicken wing it. This puts tremendous pressure on the shoulder and will force them to react or submit.

[Aesopian]

To relieve the pressure, they will have to roll over their left shoulder. As they do this, come to your knees. Release your left hand but keep holding their wrist with your right.



As they roll, keep contact with them to maintain control and prevent them from rolling to guard.



As they finish rolling, take side control with your left arm under their head.

But that's not all -- more fun is to be had. Remember your grip on the wrist.



You've still got it. It's now trapping their arm behind their back, which they are laying on. Which really, really sucks for them. The bottom man can do very little to escape side control until he frees his arm (which is very hard to do) while you're free to set up chokes or just keep circling towards north-south, pulling their arm with you.

Enjoy.

[Ybot]

Great technique Aesopian. Before once you clear their arm past their hips, and befor they roll, you can finish them there. I enter the position differently, but end up in that position. All you have to do to finish is get up on your feet (hip off the mat) and pressure their shoulder/upper back so their face is grinding the mat (pressure before they can tuck their head to roll). Anyway finish the Kimura there from your same grip. If it doesn't work they still have to roll and you follow through with the rest of the technique as stated (which is a follow up that I never did, which will help my game).

Thanks again.

[anaconda]

Kind of like an omoplata but with your hands?

[knoxpk]

I would like to add some details to this move minor really but it might let you finihs him and keep him on his stomach.

during the process of chopping his arm in you can drive him forward by getting on your toes and pushing into him from behind. his will flatten him onto his stomach while you still have the grip. From Picture 7 on you finsih exactly the same way however once you get his arm behind him you put your weight on him..Knee ride his back. You can then finish the chicken wing by pushing his hand towards his head. There is another grop you can use to achieve the same result.

Good post man.

Ps the pressure does in fact feel like the omoplata.

[Aesopian]

Ybot and knoxpk, great details. I'd love if you guys could put up your own tutorials like this. I know that a lot of people are trying to find things like this so they can bring their wrestling into BJJ or judo.

Tim added this about the move:

Off referee's position it's advisable to use the knee behind the butt to BUMP (HARD KNEE IN BUTT DRIVING FORWARD) to better break your opponent down. However, chopping the arm and bump should be done dynamically and simultaneously for optimal outcome. This is a very attainable position.

[Zankou]

Coming from somebody who plays turtle guard all the time ... there are a couple good counters to this move.

First, the referee's position is already a catastrophe for a bjj'er. Anybody who is playing turtle cannot afford to have his body in that position. You need to have your elbows tucked tight over your knees, with no extension. Otherwise he is just going to put hooks in, collar choke you, and throw you around all day.

Apart from fixing your own position by pulling a true turtle guard, if the guy is posted up behind you like that, he is in prime position for a sweep. This is particularly good for sweeping wrestlers, because they will be trying to hit you with forward pressure, to break you down, and they will not be used to rolling sweeps.

You have three great sweeps right there. In the beginning three frames, he is begging to be hit with the rolling sweep to kneebar/toehold. Alternatively, you can hit the "kick out" sweep under his posting legs. Just grab for his leg with the arm he is trying to get the 2 on 1 on, and go for broke. Roll right under him and sweep him. Finally, his weight is right on top of you, so you can also lock down on his arms and flip him over. The key to all of these sweeps is to get him to commit weight going forward.

The best thing that can happen is for them to put their knee behind your butt --- it is very hard to miss the kneebar at that point. I will try to bait people into this by crawling away, and then reversing (I got this tip off Kesting's kneebar dvd). If you are lucky, they will try to follow you and leave a leg/ankle/knee between your legs. Take it, and sweep for the sub.

[colinm]

cool move and thanks for the post.

the only question i have is what prevents the bottom guy from sitting out to guard in the transition from pic 1 to pic 2 in your second post? IMO the hard part about attacking the turtle in bjj is preventing the guy from regaining his guard.

[Aesopian]

colin, I'll ask Tim so you can get an informed response.

I can tell you that you should stay much tighter than in the photos, which were loose so we could show the grips. Keep your chest on them, maintain contact and pressure, and bring your arm around and reach under fast. You don't need to turn out and swing your arm like he's doing in the photos; we were just trying to make it clear that your arm comes all the way to the other side.