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It could pass for even an osoto gari.
But most likely it'd be categorized as either a harai goshi or an ogururma. It's kind of a hybrid of all three throws.
Not.
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Oh I was wondering about how to counter the defense to the over the shoulder grip. Say I have an over the shoulder, the guy I have it on, goes two on one (other arm on my shoulder, not arm)and straightens out to get rid of my grip, or least keep it ineffective., and now I got nothing.
Grip fighting IS Judo.
Ok, a little hyperbolic maybe, tee hee.
To address you're specific question ICM, it sounds like maybe you're not controlling his shoulder enough with your over the shoulder grip.
Set it up by reaching out and grabbing one of his collars with both hands. Yank down violently, and I mean let him have it. Shock him with the power of the yank.
Shoot your arm over his back and grab his belt or gi. Smack him in the back HARD as you do this. There should be a loud "SMACK" as you do this.
Now take your elbow and grind it in his back, and keep all your weight leaning onto him, and keep your grip on his collar rock solid. Be aware of where your feet are and his efforts to maybe chop at them. This should feel completely dominate for you. He should be bent over and feel pinned. There is no way in heck he should be just straightening out from this. For the over the shoulder you've got to take control. There's no being wishy washy about it. Pin him under you like a man possessed.
Once your opponent is under this grip, and begins to realize he's fucked, he'll start making efforts to escape. Depending on what he does, and it doesn't matter what he does, you have the real possibility of throwing him on his back hard. Not that you can't be countered mind you, just that you are technically the one in control with this grip, and it's yours to lose.
Think "hockey fight".
Good luck!
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Definitely looks like harai goshi to me, but hopefully one of these other guys can give a definitive answer.
Sry Yohimbo, I think they still all to often look like osoto.
For sure the attacks have to be more adapted to forward throws but it seems the hip tech you learn from them(forward throws) helps your osoto in nogi....yadayadayada..
To address you're specific question ICM, it sounds like maybe you're not controlling his shoulder enough with your over the shoulder grip.
Set it up by reaching out and grabbing one of his collars with both hands. Yank down violently, and I mean let him have it. Shock him with the power of the yank.
Shoot your arm over his back and grab his belt or gi. Smack him in the back HARD as you do this. There should be a loud "SMACK" as you do this.
Now take your elbow and grind it in his back, and keep all your weight leaning onto him, and keep your grip on his collar rock solid. Be aware of where your feet are and his efforts to maybe chop at them. This should feel completely dominate for you. He should be bent over and feel pinned. There is no way in heck he should be just straightening out from this. For the over the shoulder you've got to take control. There's no being wishy washy about it. Pin him under you like a man possessed.
Once your opponent is under this grip, and begins to realize he's fucked, he'll start making efforts to escape. Depending on what he does, and it doesn't matter what he does, you have the real possibility of throwing him on his back hard. Not that you can't be countered mind you, just that you are technically the one in control with this grip, and it's yours to lose.
Think "hockey fight".
Good luck!
Lol a "little hyperbolic?
Emphasis on grip fighting is generally frowned upon by the japanese, and I honestly agree to the max. Still you gotta deal, I need forearm exercises now! Anyone know good ones besides wristrollers? Also is it more important to have a stronger lower body or upper body in judo? I tend to have a weaker upper body and a stronger lower body, but lately I've been getting less pull, I donno if it's my technique or if its my upper body strength. Maybe my lower body strength got worse cause of the knee injury>?
We haven't talked in a long time Q. Hope everything is well with you mister.
I'm fighting June 14th. Thanks for remembering. I started to train in boxing some, but realized quickly that there wasn't enough time to get decent. So, it's going to be mostly Judo on my end. Hopefully not like Yoon Dong Sik's first fight, like Soko would be better...
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Emphasis on grip fighting is generally frowned upon by the japanese, and I honestly agree to the max. Still you gotta deal, I need forearm exercises now! Anyone know good ones besides wristrollers? Also is it more important to have a stronger lower body or upper body in judo? I tend to have a weaker upper body and a stronger lower body, but lately I've been getting less pull, I donno if it's my technique or if its my upper body strength. Maybe my lower body strength got worse cause of the knee injury>?
Not a fan of grip exercises but try fighting heavier judoka.
If your judo grip isnt strong enuff then it wasnt gonna work. Maybe faster legs?
J/k. Chinaman.
I do know that alot of good judo fighters talk about
strengthening grips but to me that seems so inefficient. You have to have a strong grip already. Enuff judo would seem to max those muscles imo and how much more weight do you insist they carry? Better to work on your movement imo as there has always gottas be easy room for improvement there compared.
Emphasis on grip fighting is generally frowned upon by the japanese, and I honestly agree to the max. Still you gotta deal, I need forearm exercises now! Anyone know good ones besides wristrollers? Also is it more important to have a stronger lower body or upper body in judo? I tend to have a weaker upper body and a stronger lower body, but lately I've been getting less pull, I donno if it's my technique or if its my upper body strength. Maybe my lower body strength got worse cause of the knee injury>?
Do you get in the weight room at all.
If so:
Dead lift for pulling strength,
Squat for leg and throwing power.
Bench for the ground work and grip fighting.
Also, sledge hammer like crazy, including levering, and then do your pull ups, dips, box jumps, and neck bridges.
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