[Happy Boy]

Originally Posted by CHAMP_IS_NOW

i know i need to do kuzushi but i guess i don't know how to do it effectively . push and pull

Action/reaction is the principle you're looking for, provoke and action and do the technique on the reaction.

[Wild Dan Hibiki]

after training with a couple of japanese judo boys these past few weeks all i have to say is that what i thought was good technique before coming here should be thrown out the window. of the small amount of throws i've been going over (ippon seoi nage, tai otoshi, o uchi gari) the way i do it now (or the way i'll have to get used to doing it) has completely changed.

p.s. i went for a left ippon seoi nage -> left o soto gari on one of the bigger stronger training partners and got a yuko (or maybe a koka :p). i was happy... but before and after that he must've scored about 10 or so ippon-scoring throws on me.

my gripping sucks, i can't break their more advantageous grips and hence no opportunities for throws.

[IChinaManI]

^being an inferior grip fighter sucks, the best are the guys that don't care and let you get whatever grip you want

[Thrawn33]

Originally Posted by CHAMP_IS_NOW

i know i need to do kuzushi but i guess i don't know how to do it effectively . push and pull

Give it time man. Takes a while before you start feeling when the time is right to attack. Until that time, keep attacking, right time or wrong time, attack with all you have as long as you stand. Better to get countered attacking than thrown while defending.

[YeahBee]

Originally Posted by IChinaManI

^KAZUSHI! The off balancing (the pull or push, it's more than that but I'm too lazy to type out what kazshi is) is everything, if the guy isn't off balance when you're throwing him, good luck throwing him .

Hey it's good to hear you're healthy thrawn, happy trainin!

kuzashi is

you pull I push, you push I pull, no need to complicate it anymore

[YeahBee]

Originally Posted by Happy Boy

Whoa, open weight judo amongst the giants is something Ive not much experience of. Have fought a few big guys in university comps, the o-soto where you effectively punch him in the underside of his jaw to shove his head back works well for breaking the balance.

Are you mobile for a big guy? Fast big guys often do well with driving leg sweeps, driving ko-uchi especially.

I dunno, morote-gari countering a hiza guruma. Yeah, if you are fast enough to grab the leg and see it coming. Couldnt really say though. O-Guruma is a great throw for big guys, Id looks to use that if you get into position.

I am mos def not a mobile dude and not an fast explsoive eitehr really, I just feel that I cannot for the life of me battle this dude, he is taller, the same weight as me, strong like a bull and has had a black belt for prolly 10 years or so,

heck most of my speciality techniques I have learnt from him, I honestly just think that to win I get to get a hail mary Ippon

[KenTheWalrus]

Originally Posted by IChinaManI

^being an inferior grip fighter sucks, the best are the guys that don't care and let you get whatever grip you want

Up until I broke my leg I was working a lot on different gripping theories.

The theory I liked the most, but also required the most work, is using my opponent's grips as a tell for what he will do. I let them take their grip so I can feel their movement and then beat them to where they are intending to go. It was working really well on same level and lower guys.

Another theory is beating them before they grip by using how they grip against them. If they reach for lapel turn 180 and attempt a throw. If they grab for a sleeve, turn my arm and grab theirs and attempt a throw. At times I would keep moving so they would have to keep reaching, with my goal being that they initiate their own kuzushi by continuously reaching. It works and is fun to play around with.

I'm not a fan of the popular grip fighting style so my grip style is based around using my opponent's grips against them. -ken

[Happy Boy]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

I am mos def not a mobile dude and not an fast explsoive eitehr really, I just feel that I cannot for the life of me battle this dude, he is taller, the same weight as me, strong like a bull and has had a black belt for prolly 10 years or so,

heck most of my speciality techniques I have learnt from him, I honestly just think that to win I get to get a hail mary Ippon

Tough going. My only advice, and take it for what its worth, is to realise that the pressure is on him so the longer it goes, the more he is gonna get frustrated and start trying to force it. This has worked for me once or twice, be seriously defensive for the first minute, even minute and a half, just hard gripping and giving away nothing, and then if he starts getting a bit impatient you might be able to catch him with something.

That said, I tried this once and got done for passivity twice, and the guy was such a good player he just bided his time and canned me regardless when his opportunity came.

All the best, hope you get him.

[IChinaManI]

Am I dick for getting frustrated during grip fighting? There's a buddy of mine down at judo, and I'm glad to work on grips right, but during randori the whole match is literally grip fighing. I try to work over the shoulder, and the standard or neck grip. However I understand not wanting me to get the neck or over shoulder grip, but whenever I go for standard grip he breaks my lapel grip, and then I break his sleeve grip, now we're back to square one. This goes on atleast 6-9 times the entire round. Eventually I just try to go in for a throw with no grip at all and just fall down lol. I started getting frstrated at him, and today I told him to just get a grip and fight. Not hostile or anything, but you could tell i was frustrated. He's a blue belt which is one higher than me. And I know I shouldn't be such an asshole, but we're good friends and like it's just frustrating cause it does neither of us any good, we never get any throws. And it's not ippon judo, let alone koka judo. It's the same old gripping sequence over and over. I grab with my pinky tight, so I have a loose wrist, but I don't want to resort to the whitebelt full fist grab with lots of tension. I donno this might just be me being stupid. It's just frustrating, I understand wanting a dominant grip and not wanting me to get one. But he's not getting one on me, and like eventually just fight neautral, so we can fight. It's just like pull and tugging, when we both spend the whole round doing the same grip, break grip, separate sequence. I donno maybe im just a dick.

[KenTheWalrus]

At my club there is a group of 5-8 guys who grip fight constantly. It seems at times like they think they need the perfect grip and their opponent can't have a hand on them. A couple of them will even break a dominant grip just to push their opponent's grip off of their gi. I see it as a lot of wasted potential.

One of the head sensei won't teach grip fighting unless the person is around nikyu or ikkyu because new grip fighters tend to get preoccupied with grips and then fail to attack. A couple other guys who are national/international level judoka preach grip fighting so it gets kinda awkward at times. I personally would rather attack than have a grip fight the whole match.

The only grip that I will break everytime my opoonent puts it on is the over-the-back grip. Anything else I can work in a dominant grip or a counter so I don't worry too much about it. Other than over-the-back, I usually only break a grip when I want my opponent to grip up on a different part of my gi or if I'm screwing with them.

Another thing that bothers me is when guys will attempt to break a grip, but won't actually break the grip. To me this is a huge waste of energy and a huge tell that they are uncomfortable with that grip. If someone is going to try to break a grip then they should always break the grip on the first try. -ken