We need a judo thread. - Page 6

Happy Boy · 03-20-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by IChinaManI

Hey guys, I wanted to see some of the opinions about the russian grip. Is it possible to use it while you stand up straight and your opponent is bent over. I find on some of the more experienced guys when I have it and stand up straight, they just duck under and I got nothin. I like Uchi Mata and A sloppy Osoto/harai variation with it. I prefer standing judo, and think bent over judo is ugly, but it seems I have to be bent over for that russian grip to not be neutralized (basically keep their posture bent over), and it sucks because the russian grip is starting to become money for me now.

Yes, thats a great grip to keep your opponent hunched, not just for throws but also its wears them down very well if you drag them around the mat like that, and can run the time down if you need to. If you are right handed, keep the same left collar grip and put your right over
the back and ever try and grab the belt. From here, they have very little they can do other than try and catch one of your legs and do a pick up if you go half assed into an ashi waza. From here, osoto, uchimata, ouchi, sumi gaeshi, yoko tomoenage are all very easy to hit and as your opponent can see much, they are very vulnerable. Its why a lot of guys will fight tooth and nail to stop you getting it.

**Mirada** · 03-20-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Boy

One dude said that to my old instructor, a world silver in sambo, he felt the pain......

Only because he used sambo.

pwnt.

IChinaManI · 03-20-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Boy

Yes, thats a great grip to keep your opponent hunched, not just for throws but also its wears them down very well if you drag them around the mat like that, and can run the time down if you need to. If you are right handed, keep the same left collar grip and put your right over
the back and ever try and grab the belt. From here, they have very little they can do other than try and catch one of your legs and do a pick up if you go half assed into an ashi waza. From here, osoto, uchimata, ouchi, sumi gaeshi, yoko tomoenage are all very easy to hit and as your opponent can see much, they are very vulnerable. Its why a lot of guys will fight tooth and nail to stop you getting it.

I usually grab the gi material near the mid/lower back instead of the belt. Could that be causing the problem? I like it more then the belt grip, because the belt grip is too deep for my tastes. The problem I was having is standing upright while keeping the opponent hunched. I'm a fan of pretty judo, so I try to stay away from the hunched over position, but it seems like I have to hunch to keep them hunches, or else they duck under my arm and I lose the usefullness of the grip.

Happy Boy · 03-20-2008, 01:14 AM

Here is my favourite of all time showing us the basic o-soto in Japanese. We could all do with taking a lesson from this dude.

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Happy Boy · 03-20-2008, 01:17 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^

The one he does at the 0.37 mark is my template for comp osoto, great way to do it for a big guy with the high trailing arm on the lapel.

Happy Boy · 03-20-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by IChinaManI

I usually grab the gi material near the mid/lower back instead of the belt. Could that be causing the problem? I like it more then the belt grip, because the belt grip is too deep for my tastes. The problem I was having is standing upright while keeping the opponent hunched. I'm a fan of pretty judo, so I try to stay away from the hunched over position, but it seems like I have to hunch to keep them hunches, or else they duck under my arm and I lose the usefullness of the grip.

I suppose you have to hunch over somewhat with it, it shouldnt be your primary mode though becuase its a limited one for the amount of different things you can do. Its a good one to break out when you get into the 3rd or 4th minute and its close, really lead down on their back with it and force em to stay up, destroys the legs and is very tiring. If you get the belt and want to stay upright, press your forearm and elbow into the back with the right arm, but thinking about it, staying bolt upright isnt too advisable, you gotta hunch a bit to get the most out of that grip.

Sohei · 03-20-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Boy

Here is my favourite of all time showing us the basic o-soto in Japanese. We could all do with taking a lesson from this dude.

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That dude is a fekkin monster. anyone have his stats?

And yes, osoto-gari is definitely an underrated attack in Judo. Despite its simplicity as a basic trip, it is very effective in my opinion.

Happy Boy · 03-20-2008, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohei

That dude is a fekkin monster. anyone have his stats?

And yes, osoto-gari is definitely an underrated attack in Judo. Despite its simplicity as a basic trip, it is very effective in my opinion.

I think hes 6'5 and around 135 or 140kgs. He has asperes syndrome I think, same thing as the Big Show, its why he looks like a Japanese version of Lurch form the Addams Family. Hes a legend here, very highly thought of, embodies Japanese-ness a lot.

codemonkey76 · 03-20-2008, 06:13 AM

so i understand that a "russian grip" is the over the shoulder belt grip, i can't see osoto being a good attack there, don't you have to get their weight going backwards to hit it and wouldn't the russian grip prevent that, i am a judo newb, please educate me

Happy Boy · 03-20-2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by codemonkey76

so i understand that a "russian grip" is the over the shoulder belt grip, i can't see osoto being a good attack there, don't you have to get their weight going backwards to hit it and wouldn't the russian grip prevent that, i am a judo newb, please educate me

It becomes like an osoto makikomi, hook on and just lean your weight over holding onto the sleeve grip and they should follow you down. Where their weight is going isnt all that important, you can do it from static with this grip.