[Happy Boy]

The standup in that fight looked very BJJ. I know you are more concerned about getting good ground position, but if you are leaning back and crouching, as both of you were, its gonna be very hard to get any of the throws we were talking about. This will probably come in time, but better to be the one being forwardly aggressive in the stand-up, if someone is backing off like that like he is, quick snap of the hands and o-soto. That dude was prime to get knocked out with an o-soto, pulling away and leaning back like that, boom!!

[codemonkey76]

thanks guys, i think my standup has improved a bit since this tournament, so thanks for the advice, i will put it to practice in class.

[IChinaManI]

Originally Posted by codemonkey76

that picture shows someone countering the worse double leg in history, i take it that is much harder when the guy has his hips forward (on the same plane as his shoulders) and make that throw nearly impossible?

That is a bad double leg, but I've hit that move in no gi numerous times. It's all timing and explosivness. If you are any good at backwards rolls this should be a piece of cake. Try the move, you may not hit it at first, but once you get the timing, it works surprisingly well a long as you try to roll into mount. You need to continue the roll, not just onto your back, or else they may base out and pass guard. You need to pretty much aim for mount.

In regards to the bent over stance, it's a common thing, I find lots of bjj guys, and white-yellow belts do this stance in judo. They have the death grip syndrome where they don't have loose wrists and telegraph everything. Then they bend over, it's a bitch to fight sometimes, but they can really mount no offence besides single and double legs in this position. You should stand up straight and with your lapel grip get your elbow on the inside. The palm of your hand should be firmly on their shoulder blade-ish area. there's no way they can shoot in from here, you have pressure on them and they get stuck half way through their shoot. The same goes for an over the shoulder grip, you need to keep the elbow down and inside, this prevents them from shooting, and you can control as you please. you may have to open them up more to get something from the standard grip if you're fighting bent over people, but I like the over the shoulder and if they bend over, it's like a gift haha. Backwards throws will be slightly harder from a static position if they're bent over, but any forward throw should be able to kill them. Drop seoi, tai otoshi, uchi mata, harai goshi, sasae etc. To get them to open up for a rear throw I usually put alot of pressure down on them, and if they don't stand up it's forwards throw time, and if they do stand up, hit them with a rear throw.

edit:just watched the vid, you both had the death grip syndrome, and the other guy was straight arming like mad. The thing with ouchi is that you are off balancing him to the back, so pulling him towards you is the wrong motion. You have to explode into him making chest to chest contact and then reaping. Reaching like that is no good unless you plan on turning it into uchi mata. I'm guilty of reaching with ouchi as well and have been trying to correct it. Another thing is that after the first ouchi attack, the guy was set up for a tai otoshi. If they lift their leg like that to avoid the reap, their back foot is now the front foot, and all the weight is on it, because they are floating their other leg to avoid the reap. That is perfect to hit tai otoshi with. Like I said though, the only real way to get better, is to do regular tachi waza. Even one or two sessions a night at training will be good for you. You'll soon start to realize that you're gonna have an edge over the guys who don't do this, and in bjj many people don't drill enough stand up. It'll be a whole new dimension, if you can control the stand up.

[codemonkey76]

Originally Posted by IChinaManI

That is a bad double leg, but I've hit that move in no gi numerous times. It's all timing and explosivness. If you are any good at backwards rolls this should be a piece of cake. Try the move, you may not hit it at first, but once you get the timing, it works surprisingly well a long as you try to roll into mount. You need to continue the roll, not just onto your back, or else they may base out and pass guard. You need to pretty much aim for mount.

In regards to the bent over stance, it's a common thing, I find lots of bjj guys, and white-yellow belts do this stance in judo. They have the death grip syndrome where they don't have loose wrists and telegraph everything. Then they bend over, it's a bitch to fight sometimes, but they can really mount no offence besides single and double legs in this position. You should stand up straight and with your lapel grip get your elbow on the inside. The palm of your hand should be firmly on their shoulder blade-ish area. there's no way they can shoot in from here, you have pressure on them and they get stuck half way through their shoot. The same goes for an over the shoulder grip, you need to keep the elbow down and inside, this prevents them from shooting, and you can control as you please. you may have to open them up more to get something from the standard grip if you're fighting bent over people, but I like the over the shoulder and if they bend over, it's like a gift haha. Backwards throws will be slightly harder from a static position if they're bent over, but any forward throw should be able to kill them. Drop seoi, tai otoshi, uchi mata, harai goshi, sasae etc. To get them to open up for a rear throw I usually put alot of pressure down on them, and if they don't stand up it's forwards throw time, and if they do stand up, hit them with a rear throw.

edit:just watched the vid, you both had the death grip syndrome, and the other guy was straight arming like mad. The thing with ouchi is that you are off balancing him to the back, so pulling him towards you is the wrong motion. You have to explode into him making chest to chest contact and then reaping. Reaching like that is no good unless you plan on turning it into uchi mata. I'm guilty of reaching with ouchi as well and have been trying to correct it. Another thing is that after the first ouchi attack, the guy was set up for a tai otoshi. If they lift their leg like that to avoid the reap, their back foot is now the front foot, and all the weight is on it, because they are floating their other leg to avoid the reap. That is perfect to hit tai otoshi with. Like I said though, the only real way to get better, is to do regular tachi waza. Even one or two sessions a night at training will be good for you. You'll soon start to realize that you're gonna have an edge over the guys who don't do this, and in bjj many people don't drill enough stand up. It'll be a whole new dimension, if you can control the stand up.

awesome post, this is exactly what i was looking for.

[IChinaManI]

No problem man, remember to off balance them onto their toes with your kazushi if they're bent over. It's weird cause everyone knows this, but if you keep concious of it, it'll help. It's less of a jolt and more of a pull if you catch my drift.

[IChinaManI]

dubb

[codemonkey76]

I used your advice and got an easy sloppy morote seoi nage tonight at training. We have two new white belts at our gym who are judoka's, i am not sure how high up the ranks they are but one tried to uchi mata me, but i popped my hips forward and put him on his back. I felt invincible tonight until i sparred with a black belt and got my ass handed to me, lol

[MrHandsome]

Hey guys, just wondering if theres anyway to practice my uchikomi when I'm not in training. I only get to practice twice a week or so and I don't feel its enough to get my technique right. Any other way besides throwing a gi on a friend or brother or something?

[Cirno]

Originally Posted by MrHandsome

Hey guys, just wondering if theres anyway to practice my uchikomi when I'm not in training. I only get to practice twice a week or so and I don't feel its enough to get my technique right. Any other way besides throwing a gi on a friend or brother or something?

Try this: YouTube - Innertube Uchikomi

[MrHandsome]

Originally Posted by Cirno

Try this: YouTube - Innertube Uchikomi

Wow, can't believe I never thought of that! Any ideas on how I can improve my Osotogari though? I'm working on my Osoto and Ogoshi right now and I think I can use the innertubes for
Ogoshi practice.