You get enough torque with a two on one grip then?
I kinda like to just karate chop the elbow-pit for suprise sometimes

dunno if it would be legal
My coach jsut said if you leave it in there it is jsut a hard grip fighting
I guess KAta Guruma KAta version hurts for me because well it is 300pounds they have to heave of their shoulders, and we are all pretty big dudes so it is some way to fall