tried lotus bjj nyc

Rheedanny · 03-26-2009, 09:15 PM

hey guys
just tried a class at lotus brailian jiu jitsu in queens ny
i went to the no-gi class

gotta say it was prettty good
although it was my first class ever
we started with a few stretches and then warmups
then he showed a technique, and we practiced it
then he did a little more from the same technique and we practiced
and repeat
then rolling switching partners every like 3 minutes or so

i like it but i am wondering if this is a good class based on all of your opinions

is this how most places go?
what do you guys think?

thanks a lot

Title Fight Productions · 03-26-2009, 11:20 PM

If im not mistaked, Lotus is the branch from Brazil that was taught by the original guy who taught the Gracies. Meaning there were like 4 or 5 original students and a couple were not named Gracie and the non Gracie lineage stayed more true to the original form.

I hear it is pretty good and that they continued to evolve nicely.

nmilford · 03-26-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rheedanny

hey guys
i like it but i am wondering if this is a good class based on all of your opinions

Sounds normal. Good luck at Lotus, keep going

nmilford · 03-27-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Title Fight Productions

If im not mistaked, Lotus is the branch from Brazil that was taught by the original guy who taught the Gracies. Meaning there were like 4 or 5 original students and a couple were not named Gracie and the non Gracie lineage stayed more true to the original form.

I hear it is pretty good and that they continued to evolve nicely.

That sounds suspect.

My understanding is that the Gracie family were taught, by Mitsuyo Maeda, a form of jujutsu/judo informed by his travels outside of Japan when he emigrated to Brazil

They refined it in the 20's and Helio specifically refined it to fit his frail body-type. I believe the BJJ we know today is really the result the next generation of Gracie's (Rickson, Rolls, Royler, you know the R's) refining it further.

If what you say is true, they learned from Maeda and passed it down and refined it in abstract of the Gracie family.

Their website Aboutus says their leader is a 6th level Black Belt. It looks like they are just a proliferate group of affiliations and I am assuming their master got his stripes from a Gracie.

But, I am willing to concede that I could be mistaken and my brief cobbling of what I believe the history of BJJ might omit large parts and also be entirely inaccurate.

nmilford · 03-27-2009, 12:31 AM

Well, it seems I could be incorrect.

This site Jiu states:

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According to Moises Muradi, a fighter named Miura arrived here in Brazil from Japan in 1903 and began teaching his art to his fellow Japanese and to Brazilians. Moises Muradi said that in 1908 Japanese colonists arrived in the port of Santos on the ship "Kasato Maru" and began to give jiu-jitsu classes.

It would seem to me that other students of Maeda (Fadda?), and people who claim lineage from Miura (if he exists) would have ultimately shared many techniques and finally merged into the mainstream brazilian (gracie?) jiu jitsu culture we know today.

tThis thread seems relevent: Origins, evolution, differences and similarities of branches Jiu jitsu de Brasileiro

It stands to reason other people at the time would have been doing similar things, but maybe the Gracie's were better marketers, if not better fighters... of course the winners write the history, right?

grdstorm11 · 03-27-2009, 01:11 AM

Moises's lineage is through Carlson Gracie. He is a BB of a Carlson BB, can't remember who. Along the lineage there are the Ono Brothers who supposedly were also Judoka that passed through Brazil and taught some of their art.

For all intents and purposes, Lotus BJJ is BJJ like everyone else. There is not mysticism involved there.

Fabricio Medici is an excellent instructor and coach.

Check out some other schools before you commit to one.

rocknroll1984 · 03-27-2009, 02:43 AM

the one in queens? if so please do not train there. go into the city and train at alliance or shaolin's. i train with shaolin it's on 47th and 8th, it's by far the best bjj instruction i have ever received. i also hear great things about alliance. i trained at lotus for a little over a month and it is just not the best in town.also if you want to stay in queens go to steinway and 34th and check out combined martial arts. they only have no gi, but the instructors are great. they also have boxing and muay thai if you want.

FinanceFrank · 03-27-2009, 09:46 AM

hmm, so what's the general consensus of BJJ places in NYC?

I plan on moving to hoboken/jersey city in the near future, and taking the PATH in for BJJ seems like the best option rather than finding one in jerz.

Shaolin's & Alliance are one's I should check out, based on this thread and the other NYC BJJ thread.

How about Renzo's? By the time I make this move i'll only have 7-8 months of BJJ experience under my belt, is that taylored for more advanced BJJ guys?

My current instructor is one of Renzo's black belts...part of me wants to go there to be tought by more of Renzo's top guys.

Part of me wants opinions from you guys.

The majority of me knows that the best way to find a gym for me in NYC is to do the obvious....just stop by!

assasinationday · 03-27-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rheedanny

we started with a few stretches and then warmups
then he showed a technique, and we practiced it
then he did a little more from the same technique and we practiced
and repeat
then rolling switching partners every like 3 minutes or so

Yeah, that's a BJJ class for you.

As long as your instructors/students are insightful and helpful, you're fine.

assasinationday · 03-27-2009, 10:07 AM

[quote=FinanceFrank;29815593]

I plan on moving to hoboken/jersey city in the near future, and taking the PATH in for BJJ seems like the best option rather than finding one in jerz.

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I'm from Jersey...there are a lot of RGDA (Royler Gracie/David Adiv) schools in Jersey. In fact, near Hoboken/JC there's the Fairlawn school. I think a few others.

My brother in law wanted to joing Renzo's school. Tuition is VERY expensive. It's pretty much a car payment. If you can afford that, awesome...go for it, Renzo is awesome.

Again though, Jersey is less expensive and RGDA schools are quality. David Adiv is right here in Lebanon, NJ.