Top Half - Getting Kimura'd/Swept

[Mikey Triangles]

Originally Posted by Steve Dougson

Hey Guys,

One training partner of mine is really good at slapping on a kimura from bottom half whenever I reach up to crossface him. He's good at keeping up on his side, and so I'm looking to flatten him out but whenever I reach up he catches my arm and starts working for a kimura.

To defend I've been following the advice from one of Maia's DVDs and that is to move toward his head with my body so that he can't crank the submission. Whenever I do this though I'm getting rolled over my head and shoulder (of the arm that is being held for the kimura for clarification).

It's happening a lot and I'm no closer to solving this so I was wondering if you guys had some solutions to try.

keep your head in the way so he can't get his grip. then flatten him out by "pulling out" his bottom arm and smashing him with "shoulder pressure". Shoulder pressure is done by underhooking the far arm and clasping your hands under his head similar to the 'von flue choke' video someone posted... except his hands are wrong in the video. it's very important that the hand under the head is on top when you clasp your "gable grip".... doing it the other way takes a lot away from your pressure.


once you have him smashed flat there's a number of attacks, but just out of curiousity what is the skill difference between you and this kimura man?

[TalkShowOnMute]

Good advice here. I can't offer much other than what others have said, however I like to make the guy rethink going for the kimura with a simple counter, when they go for it, lets say on your left arm. They are laying on their right side with your right leg trapped. When they dive through for your left arm, posture up a little, obviously not all the way or they will just convert to a nice hip bump type sweep from the kimura grips and you will feel sad .

Anyway, they dive through for your left, if you arm is not there already immediately bring it between both of your bodies...and release your underhook with the other hand and gable grip your hands...now pull your left wrist (the one being attacked) to the ceiling or more so..up to the center of your chest... the result is you end up kimura'ing them back on their overhooked arm. THey will usually abandon the grip from there but if they do not..work your left leg up and you can usually step over the had and finish your own kimura.

[jp1371]

well from reading your post Im sure you have seen Maia's counter shoulder lock when he goes for the kimura, if you know it's coming bait him into going for the kimura and then counter it even if you cant finish the submission you will break his kimura and can continue to pass and what not from there. The key here is since you know the guy is likely to go for it just be ready shouldnt be too hard to stop.One of the guys I train with always went for that kimura/sweep but after I put this on him several times he has stopped on me at least.

With all the other advice given you should have a decent strategy to use against kimura man

sorry just read the last post that is the counter I was talking about

[Steve Dougson]

Originally Posted by Mikey Triangles

once you have him smashed flat there's a number of attacks, but just out of curiousity what is the skill difference between you and this kimura man?

Large difference. I'm a 3 stripe white and he's a 4 stripe blue. With most sweeps and what not from a higher belt I don't mind since that's what's supposed to happen but this is happening everytime we roll and I feel like I'm not learning a thing so I had to ask here.

[Mikey Triangles]

Originally Posted by Steve Dougson

Large difference. I'm a 3 stripe white and he's a 4 stripe blue. With most sweeps and what not from a higher belt I don't mind since that's what's supposed to happen but this is happening everytime we roll and I feel like I'm not learning a thing so I had to ask here.

understandable... but you also need to realize that if he wants to impose his strongest techniques on you during rolling sessions he shouldn't have much trouble doing it considering the skill gap... However, he should be trying different things.

anyway there's some good advice in this thread. just keep working at it and you'll eventually be able to stop this kind of attack.

[._.]

When he gets the grips pull your elbow in so it closes the space between your arm and ribs (with his hand stuck in the middle) and then posture up. Make sure you do it as soon as he gets the grip because waiting too long will result with your arm behind your back while the other hand is tapping.

When you do it, it will end with him letting go due to you having just given him a nasty wrist lock and chances are he won't go for it again because he knows you can counter with a submission of your own. This will make passing a bit easier because he will not go for the kimura any more.


And for the guy saying the cross face was lost in translation, poor excuse haha
I'm from Australia and everyone I train with knows exactly what a cross face is.

[Throwing Dummy]

Another option, one that works well for me, is to hide the arm being threatened by Kimura and turn to face his legs.

If passing to the left, maintain posture and as he reaches for Kimura bring your left hand in contact with your left knee, or deep between your legs and grip cloth to help. If he keeps fighting for the Kimura you should find a chance to put your body across his, facing his legs and flattening him out. From there are a number of options to pass.

Sorry no vid, at work.

[trollzors]

Originally Posted by ._.

WAnd for the guy saying the cross face was lost in translation, poor excuse haha
I'm from Australia and everyone I train with knows exactly what a cross face is.

You damn Australians do everything backwards.

[Dark_Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ._.

And for the guy saying the cross face was lost in translation, poor excuse haha
I'm from Australia and everyone I train with knows exactly what a cross face is.

I never said it was lost in translation, i said the large number of different nomenclature systems made identifying some techniques difficult. Like one guy said their school calls encircling the head with your arm a crossface, where another guys school refers to a forearm to the face as a crossface.

Its the same with rubber guard. Alot of people just call it a high guard, some call it a single leg high guard.

95% of BJJ practitioners in Australia would have no idea what "Mission control" "Chilli dog" "zombie" etc are because the 10th planet system and its nomenclature arent big here.



Personally i couldnt care less what a move is called, id prefer to know how to do the technique itself.

[loop_choke]

Originally Posted by TalkShowOnMute

Good advice here. I can't offer much other than what others have said, however I like to make the guy rethink going for the kimura with a simple counter, when they go for it, lets say on your left arm. They are laying on their right side with your right leg trapped. When they dive through for your left arm, posture up a little, obviously not all the way or they will just convert to a nice hip bump type sweep from the kimura grips and you will feel sad .

Anyway, they dive through for your left, if you arm is not there already immediately bring it between both of your bodies...and release your underhook with the other hand and gable grip your hands...now pull your left wrist (the one being attacked) to the ceiling or more so..up to the center of your chest... the result is you end up kimura'ing them back on their overhooked arm. THey will usually abandon the grip from there but if they do not..work your left leg up and you can usually step over the had and finish your own kimura.

This is one of my favorite reversals.

Also, from this same position, you can do a different reversal and get HIM in an arm bar. Assume he's on bottom, facing you with his right side down, and you have your right leg trapped in his half guard... When you try to cross face with your left arm, he'll go for kimura as usual. Once he locks your arm in a kimura, plant your left leg in FRONT of his face and grab your inside knee with your left hand (the one being kimura'd). That will prevent the kimura. Now take your left leg and step over his head and plant it BEHIND his head (all of this is done while he's locked your arm in the kimura). After you step behind his head, keep turning your body to the left and you now have him in an armbar.