One training partner of mine is really good at slapping on a kimura from bottom half whenever I reach up to crossface him. He's good at keeping up on his side, and so I'm looking to flatten him out but whenever I reach up he catches my arm and starts working for a kimura.
To defend I've been following the advice from one of Maia's DVDs and that is to move toward his head with my body so that he can't crank the submission. Whenever I do this though I'm getting rolled over my head and shoulder (of the arm that is being held for the kimura for clarification).
It's happening a lot and I'm no closer to solving this so I was wondering if you guys had some solutions to try.
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Instead of crossfacing him try shoulder pressure. Put your arm under his head and your shoulder on his chin. Apply pressure and force him to look away from you. Where the head goes the body usually follows, so it'll make it difficult for him to turn into you. Very similar to what's happening in this video:
Hope this helps.
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No, I doubt it, I'm not too familiar with proper terminology myself. I just associate the term crossface with a forearm across the face, not the shoulder. You're probably right.
How does he catch your arm? I've seriously never even had somebody even try a kimura on the arm I'm trying put under their head from side control, so I'm having trouble visualizing what you're saying.
He's on his side, facing you. You're trying to put the arm that's near his head under his head and he goes for the kimura? Is that right?
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No, I doubt it, I'm not too familiar with proper terminology myself. I just associate the term crossface with a forearm across the face, not the shoulder. You're probably right.
How does he catch your arm? I've seriously never even had somebody even try a kimura on the arm I'm trying put under their head from side control, so I'm having trouble visualizing what you're saying.
He's on his side, facing you. You're trying to put the arm that's near his head under his head and he goes for the kimura? Is that right?
His hands will be ready by his face, I guess. He'll catch my wrist with his hand that's closest to the ground, and then swim his other hand over my arm connecting it to his own wrist and then kimura.
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Im another one who just assumed crossface was a forearm to the bridge of the nose/jaw/forehead >_> Living in Aus a lot of the terminology is changed/doesnt make it here. Heh, even one of the guys i train with calls kimuras lateral figure4 shoulder lock and whatever the other one is.
Though i suppose it makes sense, a crossface halo in pro wrestling is when you circle an opponents head around their head and reef back. Nomenclature changes so much between sports/styles/arts its mega confusing.
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Last edited by Dark_Phoenix; 11-04-2009 at 08:45 AM.
We have some lanky guys who do this, and I prefer passing the half guard to open, so I run into this problem occasionally.
Run your hand towards his head along the guy's body, do not bow your elbow out. As he tries to grab your wrist either power through to grab behind his neck or snatch the arm out. Rinse, repeat. The main point of what you're doing is to get control behind his head first, then worry about crossfacing him down. If you float that arm out in space and he's looking for it, you're going to run into trouble.
Another option is to bait the Kimura and trap it to try and shoulderlock the guy.
Flattening him out has 2 parts. First his getting both sides of his hips locked to the ground. Second is cross facing him so he remains flat and can't turn into you. You obviously have the right idea in trying to cross face him, but I think you're forgetting step 1.
A good way to get his hips flat is to side step your knee to the other side of his body. For example, if your right leg is the one trapped, move shift your knee right about 6 inches to 1 foot to the right and move your base over.
He will again try to shrimp to get to his side, but you need to battle to get him flat. Once he's flat you can go for the underhook on the other side, then the cross face. He can not defend the cross face if he's flat on his back (unless he's much stronger than you)...there is very little power as opposed to being on your side.
