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Old 10-11-2007, 01:34 AM   #31 (permalink)

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what are the hand grips for this throw?
In that image, he is gripping at the shoulder and collar. But that's the the most important part. You can do it from the elbow too. The most important parts are:
  • Your left hand pulls his up and stays straight, bringing him over in a wheel like motion.
  • Your left hamstring lands on top of his toes. This gets you deep enough for the throw.
  • Do this throw when you can get your opponent pushing into you and you can break is posture. Use a Jedi mind trick or fake an attack so he counter attacks. Try using a high collar grip to break his posture.
It's a cool throw, though. Try using it if he counters your first throw and he tries to square back up. Also consider yoko sumi gaeshi too. YSG is the same thing, but you slide less deep (foot instead of hamstring for example) and hook inside his left knee with your right foot and use that to help guide him over.
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:34 AM   #32 (permalink)

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I swear half the throws look the same but with tiny differences. Those difference appear tiny but when your actually performing the throw they make a big difference. Essentially most judo throws do one of two things, they flip you forward or trip you backwards, however, how each throw does that is very different.

Anyways what are the best high % throws people incorporate from judo to their bjj game.
Depends on you, your body type, how much effort your willing to put into them, etc. Try out many throws and stick with the few that work for you.

uchi mata? makes a great counter to a single leg, if you practice it alot you can slam people very effectively (hard) with it. combines well with ouchi and kouchi gari, however it often lands you in the guard.Haraigoshi? very powerfull throw, will take alot of practice to become effective, will shock your opponent and land you past his guard. BTW Both uchi mata and especially harai goshi work much better for taller people

do foot sweeps work? Yes! they take alot of practice and require good timing, however at an earlier stage you can still use them in combinations or to setup other throws.

This is my list of takedown and throws that i think would work for gi. I'm still a beginner so i'm not sure if they work or not, any advice is great thanks.

Single Leg. tough once he makes grips, and there are some nice counters with the gi (sumi gaeshi, uchi mata) but the opening is often there.
Double Leg can work well if the if you shoot well from outside or break his gi grips,Uchimata
Firemans carry very effective, you can dump forward, wheel him over or fall to the side for a uke waza finish (sacrifice variation), however you must realize that good jiu jitsu players can counter the fireman with a crucifix or armbar.
• Osatogari very effective, combines well with morote seoi nage, sesae, and harai goshi, also lands you past the guard.
• Hanimakikomi soto makikomi might be a safer option for jiu jitsu, either way you have to keep a very tght grip on the arm so you can finish with a fig-4 armbar or transition properly to side control, otherwise you give your back.
• Koshiguruma very effective throw especially if your a big guy (Smaller guys opt more towards ippon seoi nage in most situations where one would use koshi guruma)
• Haraigoshi
• Ouchigarai very effective, combines well with kouchi gari, uchi mata, tai otoshi, makikomis etc. will likely land you in guard however requires less comitment than most throws.
• Taiotoshi Awesome throw, actually has alotta nice applications in jiu jitsu, takes some time to develop proper form. will land you past the guard. can be set up with kouchi, ouchi, or sesae.
• Ryu Throw (streetfighter, sacrifice throw...roll into mount or something) (WTF?) common sacrifice throws from which you can roll into mount include sumi gaeshi and tomoe nage. Tomoe is alittle harder to time and execute however it combines well with an armbar or any of the sweeps where your opponent stands in your guard and you have a foot in his hip (eg hook sweep). sumi gaeshi is a great throw works well against the funky bent over jiu jitsu posture, is a nice counter to double and single leg shots and works from a variety of grips. Both sumi gaeshi or tomoe nage will provide you with the guard if you screw up.
Other throws you may want to consider inclue: sesae tsurikomi ahsi, ogoshi, morote seoi nage, yoko otoshi, kosoto gake, kosoto gari, yoko gake, tani otoshi...

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Old 10-11-2007, 02:52 PM   #33 (permalink)

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i am terrible with throws and don't trust myself enough to try uchis or most other takedowns but the fireman carry seems relatively simpler. How risky is it?
All throws are risky. Be brave, get close, attack and commit 100%. Even a simple kouchigari can get countered and you will go flying if you don't commit to your attack.
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i am terrible with throws and don't trust myself enough to try uchis or most other takedowns but the fireman carry seems relatively simpler. How risky is it?
If you already have ogoshi and koshiguruma or taiotoshi down, then you will more likely get a much, much better uchimata thats less risky to use. Uchimata seems like a hard throw to learn right off the bat.
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Old 10-11-2007, 06:32 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I really like footsweeps for bjj. Low risk and you land in a good position. I'd reckon they're pretty hard to get good at if you're doing any judo classes.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:48 PM   #36 (permalink)

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high percentage, low risk throws and takedowns are best for BJJ. Lots of guys in BJJ take a really defensive, bent over stance that makes it hard to hit the higher commitment throws like your seoi nage's and harai goshi's. i like simple little ko soto and ko ouchi's combined with knee/ankle picks, and sacrifice throws. sumi gaeshi is nice because lots of bjj guys try to shoot singles in a gi. tomoe nage is great because you can combine it with guard attacks and sweeps. you'll also catch a lot of people cause they think you're pulling guard on them look up some flavio canto videos. he's a judoka but nice throws for BJJ.
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:42 PM   #37 (permalink)

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I agree. I would learn a throw at my university judo and i can semi use it because people are upright... then when i come to bjj.. people's asses are sicking back and hunched low like wrestlers and it would just jack my shit up. :s
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don't you get penalized in judo for being "passive/defensive" when stand low like that?
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don't you get penalized in judo for being "passive/defensive" when stand low like that?
unless you are attacking, yes.
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