Throw not listed in the nagewaza...

[sturmgeist]

I've had this file on my computer for years now and I always thought it was a fantastic looking throw. But I can't find it in the waza anywhere. Anyone know anything about this, and if it's an actual Judo technique or not?

http://www.aikido-development-societ...Cederblad).avi

[Darkslide632]

Generally called the Kharabelli in Judo, though originally from Sambo I believe.

[YeahBee]

darkslide do you have any other vid/animation/instructional for that one? or can you do a step by step post about it?

[Balto]

I don't seem to have the right codec for watching the video.

However, just to answer the question generally, all of the non-joint locking throws in aikido can be found in judo.

There is not always a one to one correspondence, but the general principles are the same.

Off the top of my head, here are the major four non-joint locking throw classes in aikido and their judo equivalents:

Irimi nage (entering throw) -- sort of a mix between sumi otoshi (corner drop) and tani otoshi (valley drop); basically it's tani otoshi without the sacrifice part

Koshi nage (hip throw) -- any of the hip techniques in judo

Kokyu nage (breath throw) -- any of the uki (floating) techniques in judo; also some of the more timing based judo throws

Aiki otoshi (harmonizing drop) -- any of the sutemi (sacrifice) techniques in judo

[Balefire]

Here's a neat clip of Khabarelli doing his signature move (and a few others):

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[Thalion]

That is khabarelli. A throw that came from Sambo.

This show step by step

http://www.judo-praxis.de/Technik/Te...habarelli.html

Great specialist was the french Hugonnier

http://dailymotion.alice.it/visited/...al-dulacx-prod
http://dailymotion.alice.it/visited/...-2-dulacx-prod

[YeahBee]

thanks Thalion and Balefire (I love the dragon reborn aswell (: )

Would I be correct in teaching it as a counter move to a stuffed uchimata?

[Bubble Boy]

Originally Posted by Balefire

Here's a neat clip of Khabarelli doing his signature move (and a few others):

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Though I know we're talking about the first throw, I love that second throw even more.
Simple, direct, absolutely nothing fancy about it at all.

Hey Yeahbee, as a counter to a stuffed uchimata? Can you elaborate a little? I'm having a difficult time visualizing getting the over the shoulder belt grab grip after stuffing the uchimata.

[YeahBee]

yeah didn't see that at first glance, http://www.judo-praxis.de/Technik/Te...habarelli.html third pic there when his legs go in between looks kinda like an uchi entrance,

I could do it as the powermove it is I wanted to see if there was a more technical entry

[Thalion]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

yeah didn't see that at first glance, http://www.judo-praxis.de/Technik/Te...habarelli.html third pic there when his legs go in between looks kinda like an uchi entrance,

I could do it as the powermove it is I wanted to see if there was a more technical entry

Khabarelli is a lot similar to a sumigaeshi (As far as the grip goes) but done picking up your opponent like a wrestling frontal suplex (It's called also Georgian Wheels)