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Old 05-12-2008, 06:11 PM   #11 (permalink)

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When I hold side, I always keep one knee forward and one knee back that way i can keep my hips attached to the ground, preferably i will keep one him attached to his hip and the other sprawled back. Also you want to make your opponent look away from you, if his face is turned away he can't turn his hips towards you to try to return to guard, if you get one arm under his head and grab his far lapel or armpit and pull it towards you and drive your shoulder into his jaw to keep him looking away.

Another point to note is it is not a static position, if he starts escaping, transition, switch to N/S or side control on the other side, if he bridges, that's the perfect time to step over to the mount.
good stuff..i'm gonna try it tonight!
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Old 05-12-2008, 06:18 PM   #12 (permalink)

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just remember that hip position is the single greatest contributer to strong base, keeping your hips low and heavy is what makes some guys feel like they weight 500 pounds when they are 180.
or feel like 180 lbs when they are 180?
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Old 05-12-2008, 06:38 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You could also try this with a rubber bladder and when you're done have your intern Darring throw it out the window.
Darren is going away for a long long time.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:17 PM   #14 (permalink)

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This is one of those things your instructor has probably already covered and you need to just practice the basics and it will eventually sink in.

One thing I've done to help me keep pressure during transitions is train with an ab ball (the big ball that people do crunches on) there are a couple of demonstrations on youtube and I believe someone has a thread about it.

I also practice on an old duffle bag/sandbag transitioning from one side mount to the other side, also very good for practicing knee on belly, transition to north south and mount. Or you can not be a cheap ass like me and buy a grappling dummy or find a friend to practice on.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:18 PM   #15 (permalink)

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find someone a LOT bigger than you who was on the wrestling team and go at it for 20 minutes. Any little mistake in your base will force you to topple and you'll learn from that mistake

it'll translate to BJJ just fine, people will wonder why you're so damn hard to sweep all of a sudden
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:53 PM   #16 (permalink)

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Find a good Judoka and let them show you a clock drill, start out in kesa-gatame, transition to Kata-gatame,then to kami-shiho-gatame, muni-gatame, yoko-shiho-gatame, tate-shiho-gatame, kata and back to kesa. Basicly you start out in side control, transition clockwise around the body till you end up were you started. Start out with no resistence from the bottom, get your movment down and start bringing in resistence, then start submitions from each position. As a Judo player i dont Know why other grappling arts dont start with your basic hold downs first. Position before sub is a hard rule of grappling, pins are not as glamorous as flying arm locks, but a good pin is a lot harder to escape than choke or lock.
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:55 PM   #17 (permalink)

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i say surf more, it helps your base
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Go to other variations of side control.

I'm not a fan of the classic head and arm control position. I like modified scarf hold, twister side control, and the side control where you hold behind his head and the same side leg. If a guy knows what he's doing, he might try Saulo's running escape on you, but it's a very stable position.

If you feel like he's making space and is about to escape, switch to N/S, mount, or knee on belly. You shouldn't be static. If you stay in one position for too long, there's a good chance your opponent will escape. You must learn how to flow between various side control postions, N/S, mount, and knee on belly.

I've been practicing my transitions lately, and I've been getting a ton of kimuras from N/S when someone turns into me to escape.
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Go to other variations of side control.

I'm not a fan of the classic head and arm control position. I like modified scarf hold, twister side control, and the side control where you hold behind his head and the same side leg. If a guy knows what he's doing, he might try Saulo's running escape on you, but it's a very stable position.

If you feel like he's making space and is about to escape, switch to N/S, mount, or knee on belly. You shouldn't be static. If you stay in one position for too long, there's a good chance your opponent will escape. You must learn how to flow between various side control postions, N/S, mount, and knee on belly.

I've been practicing my transitions lately, and I've been getting a ton of kimuras from N/S when someone turns into me to escape.
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If he is escaping, transition
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Go to other variations of side control.

I'm not a fan of the classic head and arm control position. I like modified scarf hold, twister side control, and the side control where you hold behind his head and the same side leg. If a guy knows what he's doing, he might try Saulo's running escape on you, but it's a very stable position.

If you feel like he's making space and is about to escape, switch to N/S, mount, or knee on belly. You shouldn't be static. If you stay in one position for too long, there's a good chance your opponent will escape. You must learn how to flow between various side control postions, N/S, mount, and knee on belly.

I've been practicing my transitions lately, and I've been getting a ton of kimuras from N/S when someone turns into me to escape.
Work on your kesa gatame hold. A good judoka can hold you there really really well, and there are a lot of submissions I learned in CSW and BJJ there. Yes there are also a lot of escapes, but they can be countered too. I use this position a lot.
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