[DanM]

Most people credit Olympic Judo as having little ground game. However the reduction in ne-waza occured not when judo became an olympic sport 1964 but when the International Judo Federation directed referees to allow less time on the ground in order for the sport to attract a greater television audience.

Survey from the 1995 World Champs showed approxiamately 25% of all fights were won on the ground by 1999 this was reduced to about 8%, as a result of the change in refereeing. Note these stats include armbars, strangles/chokes, and pins

Coincedentally the reduction occurred in the same time frame that BJJ began to develop. Hence why BJJ sees judo as having a weak ground games

IN the past Judo has had a number fighters with a great ground game Kashiwazaki, Adams, Swain etc.

The IJF is now looking at measures to reverse the trend. However most current fighters don't have the skills anymore, it was not practical to spend the time drilling the ground techniques.

Anyone know what percentage of MMA matches end in submission?

[azjudoboxer]

im sure you could look it up somewhere

[Saro1]

hehehe.

Nasty owned plenty on the ground.... bitches never knew what hit em.

[DanM]

Originally Posted by azjudoboxer

im sure you could look it up somewhere

Just did according to Sherdog

UFC submissions 35%

Pride submissions 30%

[Q mystic]

Originally Posted by DanM

Most people credit Olympic Judo as having little ground game. However the reduction in ne-waza occured not when judo became an olympic sport 1964 but when the International Judo Federation directed referees to allow less time on the ground in order for the sport to attract a greater television audience.

Survey from the 1995 World Champs showed approxiamately 25% of all fights were won on the ground by 1999 this was reduced to about 8%, as a result of the change in refereeing. Note these stats include armbars, strangles/chokes, and pins

Coincedentally the reduction occurred in the same time frame that BJJ began to develop. Hence why BJJ sees judo as having a weak ground games

IN the past Judo has had a number fighters with a great ground game Kashiwazaki, Adams, Swain etc.

The IJF is now looking at measures to reverse the trend. However most current fighters don't have the skills anymore, it was not practical to spend the time drilling the ground techniques.

Anyone know what percentage of MMA matches end in submission?

What is the ijf doing to reverse the trend?

[blanko]

Survey from the 1995 World Champs showed approxiamately 25% of all fights were won on the ground by 1999 this was reduced to about 8%, as a result of the change in refereeing. Note these stats include armbars, strangles/chokes, and pins

Coincedentally the reduction occurred in the same time frame that BJJ began to develop. Hence why BJJ sees judo as having a weak ground games

dude bjj/gjj has been developing for the last 60 years.

[DanM]

Originally Posted by Q mystic

What is the ijf doing to reverse the trend?

Craig Monahan(sp) is an IJF ref from NZ (was a ref during the Shinohara/Doulliet olympic final) has said that the IJF has now instructed its referee's to allow the groundwork to continue longer to see if progression can be made

[Q mystic]

Originally Posted by DanM

Craig Monahan(sp) is an IJF ref from NZ (was a ref during the Shinohara/Doulliet olympic final) has said that the IJF has now instructed its referee's to allow the groundwork to continue longer to see if progression can be made

cool.

[DanM]

Originally Posted by blanko

dude bjj/gjj has been developing for the last 60 years.

Yeah but few outside Brazil knew BJJ until after the UFC started. By the time it achieved success in numbers outside Brazil judo groundwork was already in-decline.

Dont get me wrong I am the first to admit that currently the judo ground game is weak. Just that most people seem to think the decline happended post WWII. When in fact is was during the 1990's.

Prior to this judo ground game was most likley on par with BJJ.

[DanM]

Originally Posted by Q mystic

cool.

But I wouldn't expect to much. Also a lot of judoka no longer have the skills to make any progression particularly the generation who started there judo in the post 1990's. I know a number of U/20 national champs who have no idea on the ground. It will probably take a number of years to reverse the trend.