[Frodo]

Originally Posted by _Glorfindel_

There's a lot of Mcdojo, there's bad bjj instructor and it's the same thing for Catch.

But there is something i cant stand. Some people didnt even tried it and make stupids, ignorants, close minded comments. Try it with a good instructor, compare and after that you will be able to make comments about it.

I can't stand people who think they are open minded but really just have a big ego.

[_Glorfindel_]

Big ego?? Geee each time someone even mention catch wrestling, there is a bunch of bjj dude saying it's total bulshit et they didnt even try it!! I may have a big ego, but i know what i'm talking about, i'm doing both bjj and catch, and i dont say one is better than another. I'm saying that it add some usefull things to my mma game.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by _Glorfindel_

Big ego?? Geee each time someone even mention catch wrestling, there is a bunch of bjj dude saying it's total bulshit et they didnt even try it!! I may have a big ego, but i know what i'm talking about, i'm doing both bjj and catch, and i dont say one is better than another. I'm saying that it add some usefull things to my mma game.

You're the one who called me out, bud. You're the one who calls anyone who disagrees with you a "closed minded BJJ guy." You haven't even done either martial art very much yet, but all of a sudden you're an expert at both? You're the one with a problem.

[Deloitte]

Originally Posted by Frodo

You're the one who called me out, bud. You're the one who calls anyone who disagrees with you a "closed minded BJJ guy." You haven't even done either martial art very much yet, but all of a sudden you're an expert at both? You're the one with a problem.

I agree with the little guy, you suck at all arts. Your "open mindedness" does not compensate for it either. For some reason, you feel you are a superior grappler because you pick and choose techniques from different arts. The truth is, most of ground techniques you need are in BJJ. Sorry to break the news to you pro wrestler.

[Piper]

Originally Posted by Josh Barnett

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For tapes I highly reccomened:

WAR Catch Wrestling by Bill Robinson
The Fujiwara instrucitonals
Eriks Killer Leg Locks and Killer Chicken Wings Series
Eriks Neck breaker
Tony C's Lost Art of Hooking

And Attacking the Guard if you like :-)

Stick to it! Find a buddy that will travel the road with you as you pick stuff up off of tapes and try new things when everyone else has walked off the mat.

It will behard to find a good catch instructor but one thing that can really help your game is to work with an amateur wrestling coach.

Here are some great links fthat canhelp you find what you're looking for:

This webpage is dedicated to tho - a club locator page.

Grappling Techniques for Mixed Martial Arts, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Ultimate Fighting, and Wrestling - great resource page for the aspiring catch wrestler.

CSW Training Center Welcome To CSW Online - the man!

www.lockflow.com - Great technique site with some great catch stuff.

Don't let anyone dissuade you from what you want to do. Catch is an awesome art and capable of giving you all the tools necessary to submit, nay, DESTROY anyone!

Josh

Josh:

Many thanks for your post. Your advice and recommendations on DVDs and links will be a good help for those getting interested in Catch. Taking the time to make the post is much appreciated by those of us who already have a high regard for Catch and have been putting it to use, and also will be appreciated by newcomers as they see the benefit of adding Catch to their training.

I'm especially thankful that you and Erik and others have made the connection with the surviving old-timers like Billy Robinson to keep the art of Catchwresting continuing and bring it into the MMA mix.

Again thanks.

Piper

[_Glorfindel_]

Originally Posted by Frodo

You're the one who called me out, bud. You're the one who calls anyone who disagrees with you a "closed minded BJJ guy." You haven't even done either martial art very much yet, but all of a sudden you're an expert at both? You're the one with a problem.

Please, i never said i'm an expert. I only got 2 years of training in grappling. But it's a fact, i cross train, do you???

I bett You, Deloitte and Mickey Triangle didnt ever try a real catch class, and YOU are the ones who claims bjj is everything

You are talking like i never did bjj. I have a breaking news for you too Deloitte, in my 2 years of grappling, i did 90% of bjj, just added catch lately, but the huge difference with you, is i know what i'm talking about, 'cause i'm doing both, dont you? No i'm not a bjj bb, i dont even know what my level is since i'm only doing no-gi for mma, but i have a clue or two about bjj and it's 200% more than you about catch lol!!

So, please, stop bullying around each time you see the words 'catch wrestling', i'm sure you can learn a trick or too.

[Deloitte]

Originally Posted by _Glorfindel_

Please, i never said i'm an expert. I only got 2 years of training in grappling. But it's a fact, i cross train, do you???

I bett You, Deloitte and Mickey Triangle didnt ever try a real catch class, and YOU are the ones who claims bjj is everything

You are talking like i never did bjj. I have a breaking news for you too Deloitte, in my 2 years of grappling, i did 90% of bjj, just added catch lately, but the huge difference with you, is i know what i'm talking about, 'cause i'm doing both, dont you? No i'm not a bjj bb, i dont even know what my level is since i'm only doing no-gi for mma, but i have a clue or two about bjj and it's 200% more than you about catch lol!!

So, please, stop bullying around each time you see the words 'catch wrestling', i'm sure you can learn a trick or too.

You've done 2 years of BJJ, yet you are still a white belt in it. You are obviously adept at BJJ basics right? I have no reason to do a pro catch wrestling class when I can focus on BJJ for my ground techniques.

[Piper]

Originally Posted by _Glorfindel_

Big ego?? Geee each time someone even mention catch wrestling, there is a bunch of bjj dude saying it's total bulshit et they didnt even try it!! I may have a big ego, but i know what i'm talking about, i'm doing both bjj and catch, and i dont say one is better than another. I'm saying that it add some usefull things to my mma game.

That's the point. Catchwrestling ADDS to the mix of MMA. It doesn't take anything away from the ground game, and anyone that bothers to learn some catch has learned things that improves their performance and arsenal of techniques. Those of us that have learned some Catch know this, and most guys we roll with recognize how much we have added outside the typical box of BJJ.

Good luck with your training.

[knoxpk]

There is no denying BJJ re-introduced and redefined ground fighting.
They also mastered teh guard position, still to this day no style places as much focus, finesse and exectution in that position.

BUT to think that an art like catch could not help anyone interested in ground fighting is silly.

The attitude is dangerously close to what old time TMA's had when asked about fighting a grappler.

Obviously MMA in particular is trancending a particular style per se and those that are versed in multiple styles will have the best success. Catch is simply one more component to this.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by _Glorfindel_

Please, i never said i'm an expert. I only got 2 years of training in grappling. But it's a fact, i cross train, do you???

I bett You, Deloitte and Mickey Triangle didnt ever try a real catch class, and YOU are the ones who claims bjj is everything

You are talking like i never did bjj. I have a breaking news for you too Deloitte, in my 2 years of grappling, i did 90% of bjj, just added catch lately, but the huge difference with you, is i know what i'm talking about, 'cause i'm doing both, dont you? No i'm not a bjj bb, i dont even know what my level is since i'm only doing no-gi for mma, but i have a clue or two about bjj and it's 200% more than you about catch lol!!

So, please, stop bullying around each time you see the words 'catch wrestling', i'm sure you can learn a trick or too.

You don't know a thing about my training. It has been 3 years since I started grappling, 2.5 of that BJJ and 2 of that judo. I train every day multiple times a day now. I'm a brown belt in judo and a purple belt in BJJ. I started CSW before I started BJJ, and I continue to train in it. I know the some of the lockflows, and I did 2 seasons of wrestling in high school too. (I had to relearn my scholastic wrestling after I started grappling, since I forgot most of it.... And I did by training a lot since half of our grappling practices covered wrestling.) So I have more "catch" than BJJ or judo.

I'm not trying to brag, but you have all these preconceived notions that are just untrue. That's what I mean about you having an ego. I never said catch sucked. Your attitude is the one that sucks. You are not open minded enough to think about techniques outside of their systems. We talk about neck cranks, and you have to bring catch into the conservation. You bring it off-track in so many ways. That's what I mean about you having an ego.