[Frodo]

This thread is worse than McDonald's vs Wendy's.

[Mr Bosco]

Judo is a legitimate combat sport. It's been proven effective.

Wrestling(Freestyle/Greco Roman/Folkstyle) is a legitimate combat sport. It's been proven to be effective.

Catch Wrestling is a legitimate combat sport. It's been proven to be effective.

BJJ is a legitimate combat sport. It's been proven to be effective.

Nothing else needs to be said. If you want to to be good at grappling, find a good grappling club and train there.

The rest all comes down to the instructor and the individual. Some people will never be great fighters no matter how much they train. I have seen this even at my BJJ club. There is one guy who is as skinny as a fishing rod and naturally very clumsy. He has been trying his hat at BJJ for over 2.5 years now and my instructor has no intention of grading him further. He just cannot get the whole grappling thing to work. Hip positioning and break balance are just lost on him.

Stop fighting over which style is more appropriate. There is no such thing. We all know what styles are effective and which ones are not. Just pick one you have access too and train hard.

[yodaman]

Originally Posted by Frodo

That's a naive way of looking at both Catch and BJJ. Marcelo Garcia said if you are defending, then you are losing. That doesn't sound like a submissive or patient philosophy. Catch is top-based, but BJJ is not bottom-based. It is actually neutral, since it allows people to develop their guards instead of discriminating against it. You still get 3 points for passing the guard and only 2 for a sweep from it. BJJ is a form of wrestling too.

What's with people trolling me in this thread? When did I say catch sucked in this thread? The last seminar I attended was a (rather expensive) 5 hour Erik Paulson seminar, and I started training in his CSW system before I started at a BJJ school too. I asked Barnett what he didn't like about BJJ, but he refused to explain it back then. l don't honestly see much of a difference between CSW/catch and BJJ. If anything, BJJ has less of a standardized "everything" than CSW. So where did I say catch sucked? Why does everyone think I just do BJJ?

Status envy? BJJ is equivalated with Royce, Abu Dhabi, and the UFC. Catch is equivalated with the Hulkster and fake matches. It seems that more often than not, the few catch practicioners (and those who have a bunch of Tony Cecchine tapes and consider themselves catch wrestlers) get overly defensive about not being part of the BJJ fold and therefore have to do everything they can to discredit it.

"LOL whore hold." Yes, well, what are you going to do when you're on your back? Flop around like a fish? Is being in the guard preferable? No. Is it necessary? Yes.

[_Glorfindel_]

Originally Posted by yodaman

Status envy? BJJ is equivalated with Royce, Abu Dhabi, and the UFC. Catch is equivalated with the Hulkster and fake matches.

Wow, so ignorant...Anyway...I give up ! lol

[_Glorfindel_]

Double post..Sorry

[yodaman]

Originally Posted by _Glorfindel_

Wow, so ignorant...Anyway...I give up ! lol

I dunno. Catch practictioners (as opposed to just no-gi grapplers) seem like the type who tell everyone how cool they are to try and convince themselves that they're not wasting time.

"Pins are relevant! Really! Being on the back is gay! Right? Right?"

[_Glorfindel_]

Originally Posted by yodaman

I dunno. Catch practictioners (as opposed to just no-gi grapplers) seem like the type who tell everyone how cool they are to try and convince themselves that they're not wasting time.

"Pins are relevant! Really! Being on the back is gay! Right? Right?"

Like i already said numerous times, there is dumb peopole everywhere, in catch, in bjj, in restaurant, in the street, everywhere. I can quote you stupids sentence made by bjj'er, judo or catch guys.

Did you ever got pinned on the ground, by a judo guy or a catch guy? Maybe you should, it will probably change your perception of pins...The guy can hold you there forever and hit you as he wish, it's hard to do (like some fancy sub) but if it's done correctly, it suck to be there.

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Originally Posted by yodaman

I dunno. Catch practictioners (as opposed to just no-gi grapplers) seem like the type who tell everyone how cool they are to try and convince themselves that they're not wasting time.

"Pins are relevant! Really! Being on the back is gay! Right? Right?"

I beg to differ, though these days I don't really consider myself catch (or anything outside of a overall grappler for that matter).

[Ryo]

Originally Posted by Frodo

That's a naive way of looking at both Catch and BJJ. Marcelo Garcia said if you are defending, then you are losing. That doesn't sound like a submissive or patient philosophy. Catch is top-based, but BJJ is not bottom-based. It is actually neutral, since it allows people to develop their guards instead of discriminating against it. You still get 3 points for passing the guard and only 2 for a sweep from it. BJJ is a form of wrestling too.

What's with people trolling me in this thread? When did I say catch sucked in this thread? The last seminar I attended was a (rather expensive) 5 hour Erik Paulson seminar, and I started training in his CSW system before I started at a BJJ school too. I asked Barnett what he didn't like about BJJ, but he refused to explain it back then. l don't honestly see much of a difference between CSW/catch and BJJ. If anything, BJJ has less of a standardized "everything" than CSW. So where did I say catch sucked? Why does everyone think I just do BJJ?

That is because CSW is not Catch Wrestling. It is Erik Paulsons own Hybrid style. It's a mix of BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Shooto, and Catch. So ofcourse it cannot be compared with pure CACC wrestling.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by Ryo

That is because CSW is not Catch Wrestling. It is Erik Paulsons own Hybrid style. It's a mix of BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Shooto, and Catch. So ofcourse it cannot be compared with pure CACC wrestling.

I know it is Paulson's style, but the catch guys on sherdog tell me CSW is catch. Shooto is basically catch wrestling + muay thai. Paulson's gym is listed on the catchwrestling.net web site. It certainly seems like they claim it as their own.