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Old 05-14-2008, 02:31 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I know it is Paulson's style, but the catch guys on sherdog tell me CSW is catch. Shooto is basically catch wrestling + muay thai. Paulson's gym is listed on the catchwrestling.net web site. It certainly seems like they claim it as their own.
Shooto is much more then that. Infact if you read on the tshirts used as the official USA Shooto uniforms, it says Muay Thai, Judo, Jujutsu, Sambo and Catch. Shooto is an MMA style founded by Satoru Sayama. He based it on those 5 arts he trained in. Nowadays BJJ is also one of the main component's of Shooto. No way could it be attributed to two styles only. Let alone one style like Catch, like so many Catch nuthuggers like to claim.

Paulson is a supporter of Catch because he's trained with Catch guys like Billy Robinson. Anytime a Catch nuthugger gets wind of any affiliation with Catch, then the whole system becomes Catch. Even Paulson will tell you his style is a hybrid style. He is a Judo and BJJ BB. And an MMA fighter. It pretty clear that his stystem is not one style.
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:52 PM   #102 (permalink)

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^I think bjj and judo is a better combo.



Catch wrestling is cool, but too much random stuff like this ^
that guy on bottom got owned...
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Old 05-14-2008, 02:57 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Shooto is much more then that. Infact if you read on the tshirts used as the official USA Shooto uniforms, it says Muay Thai, Judo, Jujutsu, Sambo and Catch. Shooto is an MMA style founded by Satoru Sayama. He based it on those 5 arts he trained in. Nowadays BJJ is also one of the main component's of Shooto. No way could it be attributed to two styles only. Let alone one style like Catch, like so many Catch nuthuggers like to claim.

Paulson is a supporter of Catch because he's trained with Catch guys like Billy Robinson. Anytime a Catch nuthugger gets wind of any affiliation with Catch, then the whole system becomes Catch. Even Paulson will tell you his style is a hybrid style. He is a Judo and BJJ BB. And an MMA fighter. It pretty clear that his stystem is not one style.
Great post.
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:06 PM   #104 (permalink)

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Shooto is much more then that. Infact if you read on the tshirts used as the official USA Shooto uniforms, it says Muay Thai, Judo, Jujutsu, Sambo and Catch. Shooto is an MMA style founded by Satoru Sayama. He based it on those 5 arts he trained in. Nowadays BJJ is also one of the main component's of Shooto. No way could it be attributed to two styles only. Let alone one style like Catch, like so many Catch nuthuggers like to claim.

Paulson is a supporter of Catch because he's trained with Catch guys like Billy Robinson. Anytime a Catch nuthugger gets wind of any affiliation with Catch, then the whole system becomes Catch. Even Paulson will tell you his style is a hybrid style. He is a Judo and BJJ BB. And an MMA fighter. It pretty clear that his stystem is not one style.
Ya, I trained in CSW and I still get confused what it is based on. Honestly it feels like nobody cares what it is called except for those guys on the net. We just want to train. You hear me?

Anyway, Satoru Sayama founded Shooto in 1986 according to wikipedia. However, I didn't know he did BJJ. Where did he study it?
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:16 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Ya, I trained in CSW and I still get confused what it is based on. Honestly it feels like nobody cares what it is called except for those guys on the net. We just want to train. You hear me?

Anyway, Satoru Sayama founded Shooto in 1986 according to wikipedia. However, I didn't know he did BJJ. Where did he study it?
He didn't, only JJJ.
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I don't think he did. BJJ was introduced into the Shooto ciriculum by Yuki Nakai, who became a black belt under Rickson.
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Old 05-14-2008, 10:42 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Ya, I trained in CSW and I still get confused what it is based on. Honestly it feels like nobody cares what it is called except for those guys on the net. We just want to train. You hear me?

Anyway, Satoru Sayama founded Shooto in 1986 according to wikipedia. However, I didn't know he did BJJ. Where did he study it?
I don't realy care what its called. I was just telling you that Shooto is much more then Catch. And that Paulson is a Hybrid stylist. I could care less personally about what you call it. But since this is a discussion forum and it makes for good discussion..

Anyway It's refering to Japanese JJ. That's why I used the proper Japanese name istead of how the Brazilians spell it. As Yodaman said, it wasn't till later on that BJJ was added to Shooto. Now most gyms have a BJJ trainer.
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Tony is a fraud, learn from one of the real men of catch wrestling, although he obviously is past his prime, what he teaches is 100% legit

Billy Robinson W.A.R

I believe theres 4-6 DVDs on it
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Honestly I think Saku's grappling background is part what made him so formidable. He was awkward, he had unsual setups and transitions. That's something I don't think he wouldn't have developed if he was a BJJ traditionalist. And I think that's why BJJ guys had trouble dealing with him in part; they're used to dealing with grapplers who think like BJJ players, but Sakuraba didn't think like a BJJ player, he thought like a pro wrestler, so he did shit that they didn't see coming.
exactly why he was so succesful his transitions, setups, progressions and follow throughs were very left field of what everyone else was trying to do, which was bjj; its hard to defend or counter when u have no real idea what someone is doing, going for and it's harder to attack when u don't recognize the counter or def being used.

in doing what u feel is right u could very well be walking urself into a submission or letting them out of one; sak had the addv that he had faced mediocre avg and very good bjj guys, he knew their game approach and theories/applications in and out. The same could not be same for his opp...

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