[Wolfwood]

if you guys wanted to try ssome wrestling terminoloy along side the judo you'd probaly get more help

[Darkslide632]

If the guy is stiff arming you, that implies that he has a grip from which to stiff arm you with. You need to dominate the gripping situation. Break his grip, take your grip and throw him.

The reality, however, is that not all throws work in all situations. In my Judo class you will OFTEN hear "Uke needs to step like this... No, step here, like this." which SOUNDS like something you would hear in a bad karate class "Punch me. No, not like that, punch me like this." What the situation REALLY is, is that when uke moves a certain way, I attack with a certain throw. If he moves in a way that does not compliment that throw, then I just use a different throw - one that IS complimented by the way uke is moving. Unfortunately if you're working on seoi nage and uke is moving in a way that compliments tani otoshi, you can't just switch and start practicing tani otoshi.

Seoi nage is a throw that requires you to get close to your uke. If they have a grip and they are stiff arming you, then it is not time to throw seoi nage. Move AROUND the stiff arms instead of trying to move through them. Use tai otoshi, sasae tsurikomi ashi, hiza guruma, Sode tsurikomi goshi, etc instead.

Judo is not a ham-fisted art. You don't walk in and try to force your throw onto your opponent. In fact, if ANYTHING, your opponent will tell you what throw to use to throw them.

[Yozigi]

First of all start doing seoi-nage from the lapel-grip if you aren't already doing so. The only people I know that have real success with the old-school sleeve-grip are high level competitors that are seoi-nage specialists anyway. With the lapel-grip you have much more control over the uke's upper body. So if you're trying to do seoi-nage to the left you take a left kumi-kata with your left arm going over the uke's right arm. Being kind of sideways to the uke doesn't matter, neither does it if the uke stiffens his/her arm since as long as your arm's on top you're the one in control. Then there's of course the double-lapel grip.

Second, you have to get uke moving. Push, pull, change levels and fake footsweeps. You'll find a lot of openings for the throw when you're both moving. Keep the uke's left hand off of you with your right and when s/he comes in forward trying to grab you, go for the throw.

[Manatee]

Thanks for all the replies, I finally nailed it, especially with the lapel grip instead of the sleeve. He was double stiff arming me. I just had to break the grip he had on my lapel, then I just moved around the stiff arm. Once I broke his balance and made contact it was gold from there. Seoi nage works well for me since I am only 5'8. The tips were awesome guys, didn't even have to drop seoi nage either. Again, it's appreciated. Thanks alot. It improved the throw ten fold.

[Thrawn33]

I suck at Seoi. Definatly not one of my go-to throws. I do use it as a fake for Osoto with some sucess.

Nice to see you're studying the Koga tape, if there's a Seoi-God its him.

[Manatee]

Originally Posted by Thrawn33

I suck at Seoi. Definatly not one of my go-to throws. I do use it as a fake for Osoto with some sucess.

Nice to see you're studying the Koga tape, if there's a Seoi-God its him.

I always use osoto as a back up if the seoi nage goes to hell. I find it makes the osoto ridiculously powerful since you're gripping both sides of uke. It's awesome because they think you're going to throw them forward than backward.

[Thrawn33]

Originally Posted by Manatee

I always use osoto as a back up if the seoi nage goes to hell. I find it makes the osoto ridiculously powerful since you're gripping both sides of uke. It's awesome because they think you're going to throw them forward than backward.

Being a tall and lanky bastard I find it harder for me to get low enough (in comp/randori) to hit seoi. Doesn't stop me from trying it at practice, but the only people I can really hit with it are the white belts. So much easier to use the legs.

[black koala]

Push - pull, make a few faints, and spin under.

[codemonkey76]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

Judo chop the arm who is holding your lapel (: and jsut turn in, the grip he is stiff arm you with on the sleeve side won't help him

so there IS a Judo Chop!!!!

[Frost-bytE]

I'm pretty new to the Judo scene but lovin it, absolutely struggling with Seoi, cant seem to get explosive enough, ended up doin some 1 on 1 trainin with my Sensei which helped a lot, gave me pretty much the exact same tips as Yozigi so may be gettin better!

this page has been a great read though gonna try implement some of the tips tomorrow, since I've made bein able to pull off seoi a kind of pet project and mission.