Rolling attacks against the turtle?

[HEAVY GRAPPLER]

How common are rolling attacks against the turtle?

One of my instructors is an old-school Carlson guy (6th degree BB,) and he is teaching us a tonne of rolls against the turtle: into side control, into collar chokes, into armbars.

I had never really seen them before - but I am just a relatively new blue belt. I used one against a blue belt while I was visiting another city and he had never seen it before, either.

In one of his blogs, Stephan Kesting talks about visiting our academy. The day after his seminar, he took a class with us (Stephan is an awesome guy.) Here is what he had to say:

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"One cool thing that happened that night is that Alexandre Penao showed us a technique that none of us had ever seen before.

It was a cool rolling choke against the turtle position. Then he showed us how to use that choke to set up an entry to the mount and choke the guy out from there. This second technique was also entirely new to me.

Now I've been doing BJJ a long time. And I've been practicing other grappling arts for even longer. But I hadn't seen this stuff before. Not in person. Not on Youtube. Not in my extensive library of books and DVDs."

Are these techniques uncommon? I can tell you they are practical for competition. I cannot find many similar techniques on youtube or whatever.

Is anyone interested in a video of these? Penao has already agreed to demonstrate the techniques for a youtube video, but there will be little in the way of explanation, since my his English is as poor as my Portuguese.

[Jagcorps_esq]

I'd love to see a video of those.

I love rolling attacks against the turtle, mostly because I hate sitting so high and would just prefer to roll.

I do a simple rolling attack to bow and arrow and a rolling attack to arm bar, but not much else.

[Mikey Triangles]

I think I do more rolling attacks from the turtle, but they're common on both sides.


reverse omoplata is one I like a lot, and that kind of goes hand in hand with the crucifix and all the chokes and attacks the crucifix entails. i also like to roll for a kneebar when they step over my leg(or get there from half-guard leite style). Obviously the twister and all the twister related techniques including the calf-slicer can be rolled into from here. omomplata, triangles, and several other arm attacks too.

really there's a lot you can roll into.

[HEAVY GRAPPLER]

UPDATE:

I shot this video today. I think we covered off about 7 techniques. All rolling attacks against the turtle.

Offhand, the ones I can remember:

Clock choke & Far-side clock choke

Roll to bow-and-arrow choke

Roll to cross choke from knee-on-belly (I think this is the choke Kestings referred to.)

Sweep to mounted cross choke (same grip as above technique.)

Crucifix to reverse triangle

Roll to the Americana with the legs

And a few more. My first attempt at shooting a BJJ video, and I am just learning to use the editing software so it will be a week or so before I get these up on youtube. If Penao is happy with it we will make a bunch more.

[Dark_Phoenix]

John Will gave a seminar in my state a couple weeks back, and apparently he taught a couple of rolling moves from turtle. Into a choke and into an armbar. Unfortunately i had uni commitments and couldnt attend

[zaoh]

Another one:

one hook in, grab the same side arm, push his head, go for the armbar

[judogido]

It is very common in judo. Very common indeed.

Actually, I will post a few, from class if I have time. We've reviewing a turnover to straight armbar.

[Steelviper]

Jeff Glover shows what's kind of a roll, where you're getting blocked trying to pummel in for a darce on one side so you jump/roll to the other side and sink your other arm into the far side to get the darce over there.

[CopPsychDoc]

Any links to videos ?

[Morsels]

Just get the crucifix and roll, Baret style.