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Originally Posted by johil d'o

I'm not sure that is the real point. We can all admit that there are much much bigger fish to fry out there in the world, and there are much more important issues, than whether Rickson owned up to a loss in Sambo. Strikes me that the issue is why so many jump in another thread and further disparage Rickson and his "legacy". Just MHO.

much bigger fish to fry? that's 100% of the grappling forum.
Rickson is one of the biggest fish in the grapplig world, so it stands to reason that, when people learn that Ricksons 400-0 record isn't real, they want to talk about it. They are not trying to disparage Rickson and his "legacy". They are trying to determine his legacy.

what about Ron Tripp? Is Rickson is trying to hurt his legacy?

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i should add that i have heard many amazing things about Rickson's jiu-jitsu and i belive most of it. Rickson impact on BJJ is not questionable.

[georgejjr]

Originally Posted by Scottwpg500

Dont know about his loss to ron tripp but if he lost he lost, the record is unbelievable but hes counting grappling matches etc.. He stopped fighting because his son died and has been thinking about fighting again but only if the price is right. We will never know how he would do against the likes of fedor etc. You have to consider the fact that royce says rickson is 10 times better than him, not twice as good. Royce hasnt had that many fight with current top mma guys but did ok vs saku.

Well, considering he is currently 50 years old and hasn't fought in a decade, I think its pretty easy to speculate on how he'd do against Fedor. For that matter Royce has never fought Fedor either, so strictly speaking we will never know how he'd do against Fedor if they fought. In fact, we'll never really know how anybody other than the 20 or so guys Fedor as actually fought would do against him. But its pretty easy to make an informed guess .

For my part, I'm pretty sure I could strike out A-Rod, but since I've never pitched against him we'll never know for sure

The thing is, Rickson has proven himself as a great grappler. He doesn't have to disrespect Fedor and other current MMA'ers, so why does he do so? How often do you hear 50 year old ex-NFL quarter backs saying they could jump back into the game and beat the current Superbowl champion? Or 50 year old ex-NBA players saying they could outplay the best players of today? Most ex-champs know that they were great in their day, but that they're now to old to play at that level, and are happy to let the young guys get the glory, just as they got the glory when they were young and winning.

[johil d'o]

Originally Posted by georgejjr

Here's a link to the Sherdog page with a report of the claim:

Tough Talkers & Inaction Figures

Mind you, its a second hand account of a Japanese report, so maybe Rickson was taken out of context. I kind of hope so, because I've nothing but respect for Rickson.

Got it. Not sure of the veracity of that report. But in any case, I found it both amusing and outrageous that the article you linked to throws Rickson in with the likes of clear frauds like Jean Claude Van Damme and Emin Boztepe. I know you didn't write it, so I'm not blaming you, but I hardly think he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as those non-fighters.

[son_goku]

Lets look at the evidence:

1. He's dodged Sakuraba...
2. He's dodged Bas Rutten...

If Fedor's ability is "so-so", according to Rickson, why not challenge Fedor and make a cool million dollars and secure your legendary status???

Why not fight Sakuraba or Bas and make an easy million???

Why not enter a Mundial/ADCC and dominate everyone?

[Shaolin Bushido]

Originally Posted by Drew Foster

We all know Rickson's 300 and 0 record. Or 400 and 0, I can't remember.

Many say it's inflated. Who cares? Anyway, te faily claims he's undefeated, and I always thougt he was.

While researching SAMBO, I saw that a famous SAMBO guy named Ron Tripp beat Rickosn in a Sambo match in 1993. It says that at the 47 secon mark, Ron threw Rickson with an Uchi-Mata throw giving Ron, "absolute" victry under the U.S. Sambo rules.

The artice geson to say that Rickosn claimed that he didn't fully understand the rules, and that if he did, he would "never have let himself be thrown."

Anyone have more info on this?

Look up Ron on wikipedia. I know it frequently has prank stuff on there but ron's entry is pretty complete and accurate. Being thrown by him is nothing to be ashamed of(though Rickson seemingly thought it was).

Just recently, Ron was President of a national Judo organization.

[Shaolin Bushido]

I believe ron was also an alternate on one of the Olympic wrestling teams back in the 80's or so.

[georgejjr]

Originally Posted by johil d'o

Got it. Not sure of the veracity of that report. But in any case, I found it both amusing and outrageous that the article you linked to throws Rickson in with the likes of clear frauds like Jean Claude Van Damme and Emin Boztepe. I know you didn't write it, so I'm not blaming you, but I hardly think he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as those non-fighters.

I'd agree with that. I think its cheap for Rickson to take pot shots at Fedor, but in his day he was out there fighting, and was very good - and he has a huge amount of respect from the top people in the BJJ world. Van Damme and Boztepe have never been more than talk.

Rickson belongs with the likes of athletes like Joe Frazier who were at the top themselves in their day but who are now down on the modern champions - guys who proved themselves but who have never really gotten used to the idea that age limits their abilities, and who still think of themselves as they were in their prime, with a bit of the "in my day things were better" nostalgia thrown in as well. You kind of expect them to start going on about how they had to walk five miles to go to school, uphill both ways

But he earned his reputation on the mats, there's no question about it.

[PhillyD45]

The Gracie's are a great grappling family witha great history but they are so SHADY.

[makoa26]

Originally Posted by Shaolin Bushido

Look up Ron on wikipedia. I know it frequently has prank stuff on there but ron's entry is pretty complete and accurate. Being thrown by him is nothing to be ashamed of(though Rickson seemingly thought it was).

Just recently, Ron was President of a national Judo organization.

I just checked out the wikipedia article and it says that his record is reportedly 900 and 4!!!!

Ron Tripp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia