Review of rolling armbar from turtle - help needed!

[Frodo]

I have a serious case of pink eye and so I can't practice. In the meantime, I've been jotting down different techniques from my log to help polish them. I had "rolling juji gatame from turtle" technique listed without any description, so I added the steps to execute the move. However, I'm not 100% sure of my details. Can I have some advice or comments on executing the move.

1. You have back control with hooks, but the Uke has turtled and it is hard to get a choke.
2. With your left arm, hook his right arm and get a good grip.
3. At the same time, rotate perpendicular with him and remove our left hook. Place that leg around his head, and rotate the other hook across his opposite abdomen to the outside of his left thigh. Squeeze your knees together.
4. With your free arm, grip his close ankle (or gi pants) and extend his leg as you bring it over your head. Now let go and grab his other ankle (or gi pants) and pull it over your head again.
5. Keep your grip and roll your opponent onto his back while keeping the armbar.
6. While rolling the opponent over, try to maintain your body at a right angle to his; pull his left arm well toward your and keep your hips close to his body.
7. Uke will probably lock his hands. Break his lock and extend his arm to your chest. Hold the opponent's right arm with your left hand, and raise up your stomach slightly to apply the lock.

[Sambo234]

I can't finish the armbar facing down on a turtled opponent, I have to roll them over to get enough leverage to break the grip(in gi training at least). If my opponent is turtling in no gi, I am more successful with breaking the grip even face down with shin across the back of their head.

[sambosteve]

I should have a video of this one up soon. It is our March technique of the month.

[Frodo]

Originally Posted by Sambo234

I can't finish the armbar facing down on a turtled opponent, I have to roll them over to get enough leverage to break the grip(in gi training at least). If my opponent is turtling in no gi, I am more successful with breaking the grip even face down with shin across the back of their head.

Thanks. Ya, the steps I wrote have you rolling the opponent onto his back. Maybe I haven't explained that well, so I'll rewrite it a little.

[Frodo]

Can you email me a link to that video? I have a modem connection. It is very slow (about 28.8k) while my laptop is in the shop being fixed.

[Aesopian]

Looks good to me. The only thing I do differently is to put my shin on the back of the head in order to push their face to the ground while a flip them. Like this:



Once they roll over, I put my leg in front of their face.

[Sambo234]

Originally Posted by Frodo

Thanks. Ya, the steps I wrote have you rolling the opponent onto his back. Maybe I haven't explained that well, so I'll rewrite it a little.

yeah I was just re affirming what you said. I another big thing about breaking the grip that a lot of people seem to neglect is where to grip when trying to break. People may try to grip at the crease of the elbow and just pull and pull to no result. If you grip at the wrist like a RNC the arm should come with ease. If person the is making me struggle I use grip breaks that are pretty high % for me.

few grip breaks that I use at high percentage...

simple figure four wrist lock

or the triangle over the wrist with shin pressing against their hands/wrist created a wrist crush effect.

[Foolkiller]

I have a variation of this from a half nelson position up on lockflow.com.

[Frodo]

Good picture Aesop. I'll put that in if you don't mind.

Originally Posted by Sambo234

yeah I was just re affirming what you said. I another big thing about breaking the grip that a lot of people seem to neglect is where to grip when trying to break. People may try to grip at the crease of the elbow and just pull and pull to no result. If you grip at the wrist like a RNC the arm should come with ease. If person the is making me struggle I use grip breaks that are pretty high % for me.

few grip breaks that I use at high percentage...

simple figure four wrist lock

or the triangle over the wrist with shin pressing against their hands/wrist created a wrist crush effect.

Oh there are lots of ways to break a grip. I like that figure-4 rip out and the bicep slicer you showed. I also use my legs to push it apart, pulling his opposite arm in to weaken his lock, gripping at the wrist and with by who arm (hand behind head) and rotating my body, etc... There are many options. Great advice. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Superbeast

I have a variation of this from a half nelson position up on lockflow.com.

Cool. Link?

[kumikata]

Here is a description of the technique from World judo champion Jimmy Pedro. At the bottom of the page is a link to a video demonstration of the move.

www.jimmypedro.com/juji.htm