Question regarding training with beginners

[billmister]

Hey all quick question. I'm a blue belt currently training. When i roll with white belts i tend to use a LOT less force, a LOT less of everything. Like i would let white belts pass to half guard, let him try subbmission, etc... Pretty much i give them a smooth change to work on their game.

Am i doing a wrong thing?.. when i started training with blue belts, i would get owned, and i think that helped me a lot. Am i slowing their process down?.. I'm going easy because i don't want them to feel back getting tapped, but then again i don't want them to think their are better than they are because that will slow down their rolling i think.

Anyway reason is, i was rolling with this white belt and going easy and i got cought in a bad position and although it wasn't that bad, i tapped because i know i'm just training i don't want to get hurt and have time off. ANyway, it was kind of cool that i got him thinking he's good, but then i thouhg, i don't want him thinking he's good and start slacking.. SO... next roll i went a little big more technical and regularly how i roll. ANyway i tapped the dude out but still..

AM i going to soft on white belts... Do you blue belts go normal with the white belts and tap them out 2-10 times a roll? let me know.

[beeble]

well, id say dont go full out on the new white belts, roll with them, and if you see an armbar take it, and even dont sink in the sub, just let him know its there and you could of just got him... and when it comes to stripped white belts, dont hold anything back they need to learn this way... im a stripped white and a blue i roll with almost every class just kicks my ass, hes always one step ahead of me, but when i roll with other whites, im at an advantage because im used to rolling with the bigger, more technical guy.

[Rambamatic]

One of the most important things that I have learned while training is the concept of the 50/50 training roll. You have to let the lesser belts move around and experience different positions and try submissions so that they get a proper mat feel, they understand CONTROL, and they begin to sense what the flow of the art is about.

I'll regularly let new whites or guys less good than me to exactly that: and I'll coach them while they're doing it: relax...you're expending too much energy...get the leg out, you're almost past...look for the submission, you're really close, etc. If a guy is having a problem working out of a place, I'll put him in that place, or allow him to put me in that place, and then work from there and let him get the sense of what the position demands.

This does not mean that you GIVE them the position or submission; rather, you make them WORK AT THEIR LEVEL to get it.

Too many schools get into this combat mindset where the white belts are just fresh meat, and they just get steamrolled over all the time. One of the by-products of this is that the white belts have to put so much FORCE and STRENGTH and EFFORT into every single thing they do....going at like 85-100 % all of the time, that when they get in places where they can try a sub, they hit it too fast and with too much force and people get hurt. Allowing whites to BUILD THEIR CONTROL, MAT FEEL, AND TRAINING FLOW SLOWLY AND IN A CONTROLLED MANNER IS SAFER AND MORE PRODUCTIVE TRAINING IMO.

Another thing is that the human body is hard wired in a certain way: as your heart rate increases, your ability to cognitively process (think about position) and execute fine motor skills decreases exponentially. If your white belts are being pushed to 140 -160 bpm because they're getting beat on, their ability to think about and understand the positions and what they should be doing, looking for, etc. GOES DOWN EXPONENTIALLY THE MORE TAXED THEIR CARDIO GETS. Keeping them loose, fluid, and relaxed is a much better way to train them.

So, the short way is I agree with you....you're doing the right thing.

And Beeble's point about subs is excellent, too.

[billmister]

Yeah i agree with your guys. And when i roll with white belts who i feel need A LOT of help i go smooth, and when they are having trouble say getting to my side mount from half i will tell them, "grab the leg and push away" or "cut your kneed inside and slide",etc.. In anything when i roll i'm saying things like, "underhook" "dont give me to much space" etc... But sometimes i just feel like i'm really not helping them beacuse he are just pretty much "drilling" and not rolling. I guess i will continue helping the once who appear they need it and the others i'll go at regular past...

Thanks guys!

[Yojimbo.]

Higher ups that let me work some things and give me tips while rolling help me alot. Without them I'd be much worse than I already am

[jsbjjs]

no mercy
destroy them

"you're only as good as your training partners"
if you go easy they do not get better

[festizio]

[IxiaN]

Most guys are intuitive enough to know that you're going easy on them. I can tell if someone that I think is better than me is sandbagging. I don't like it. If they tell me that we're just going to take it easy and work on technique that's fine but if you are led to believe you are rolling for real and in actuality they are going easy on you that's bad. B/c if you do catch a higer ranked guy in a submission but you don't know for sure if they let you have it, it really cheapens it and devalues the accomplishment. So in essence, if you are going to let them work on technique, let them know. If you wanna go for real let them know as well.

[seanjackson]

i'm a 21 year old male undefeated canadian amateur boxer (4-0), train judo, muay tai, wrestling. and juijitsui. i fight amateur boxing and train in the other martial arts. when we spar ppl, the guys are provincial champions and or candian/international champions. we go at 75% of our ability. some guys are go hards you put more into who you spar. when training bjj - bruckmann has us go ppl alot better than us (same prinicple as boxing). you try and survive against someone better than you. when you spar your suppose to do what your taught through your trained technique in order to make it become your natural reaction. other wise, your allowing them to reinforce bad habbits. success is suppose to be applauded and mistakes are suppose to be caught and broken. the statement above is true. you are only as good as the person you spar against. if they hold back and let you take position at will would be similar to allowing someone to strike you in boxing. i am personally better naturally at my stand up. my juijitsui is good for the amount of time i've done it for but mediocre in comparison to a blue belt or black belt. i cant get better if i fight and win against stiffs. undefeated record is useless if the competition is bad. the same applies for sparing partners and what not. without joining several different gyms, what alternative do ppl have for finding some where to train both stand up and ground game? i have trained several diff places and come to notice alot of places are too singel minded. there are places that allow ppl to fight m.m.a. fights when they train only ground game or jus stand up. careless as allowing a white belt to impose their will on a blue belt. terrible!!!

[Hammer Time]

when i was a total newb i was always steamrolled with no mercy in no gi. in judo pretty much the smae thing but u also do some drills technique and so on so i guess im a traditionalist but i think whites who roll with guys who are slightly better and alot better are alot tougher and advance faster than whites who ar babied and only roll with other whites and guys who go easy. i learned the hard way pretty much and prefer that over rolling with guys who go easy