question about escapes

strange619 · 08-09-2006, 03:48 AM

i was just wondering how you bjj approach escaping submissions and mount/sidemount.

Ive only been training for a month and my knowledge of escapes(and everything else) is limited. ive drilled a few, but not enough to make them instinctual.

so i was wondering if im supposed to calm down and plan my escape, cause right now i might only try one type of escape for say a mount. i get so anxious and panicked that i try the upa roll all the time. and it doesnt always work.

Whats the best way to approach the escape? is it to keep trying the same thing and force it or wait for the opponent to calm down then try again? or should i slow down a little, and calm myself to plan the escape better.

also my instructor said a few times that when youre caught in a submission you should just aim to survive, and that escaping the hold or move is only a bonus. can anyone expand on that?

thnx in advance for replies.

MisterSambo · 08-09-2006, 04:42 AM

First of all you got to learn the techniques. For every submission there are escapes and also for every position. What worked well for me was to have several possible escapes for every position and once you're in the position you go from one escape to the other untill one works. What is most important is practice. With the time you will also feel more confident and more confortable even in bad positions. And for info you even got the possibility to sub your opponent when he mounted you or when he is in sidemount on you.

The surviving part I am not sure. In some competitions if it doesn't move ennough they stand you up. So there it's enough to just not move. But escaping is always better.

Sub Dude · 08-09-2006, 04:58 AM

First thing, you have to learn to relax when you're in a bad position, and expend energy wisely....don't "spaz" or flail around wildly. Relax and feel the position, so you know exactly where your opponent's balance point is. As far as the mount, upa escape is not very reliable, unless your opponent is committed to a submission attempt. I prefer the elbow escape. For side mount, the most important thing is to begin your escape as soon as you realize that your opponent is going to pass your guard. Don't let them get you flat on your back. Turn into them, near hand goes on their hip, far hand looks for the underhook to make space, and shrimp. Whenever you learn a submission, learn how to defend it also. This will not only make your escapes better, but also make your subs tighter, cause you will know what your opponent is trying to do.

strange619 · 08-09-2006, 05:06 AM

thnx for replies fellas

yeah i have relaxing. as far as my breathing and all that, its good. but my mind still races around, i guess that wy i only try for only the same escape over and over, the other escapes dont even come to mind. any tips to help improve this? i do know the escapes, its just my mind is all over the place.

So are yall saying i should definitely calm down more, and plan every move of the different escapes?

MisterSambo · 08-09-2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by strange619

thnx for replies fellas

yeah i have relaxing. as far as my breathing and all that, its good. but my mind still races around, i guess that wy i only try for only the same escape over and over, the other escapes dont even come to mind. any tips to help improve this? i do know the escapes, its just my mind is all over the place.

So are yall saying i should definitely calm down more, and plan every move of the different escapes?

What I suggest you is to write you down the different escapes you know for every position. then would be good if you got soemone with who you can train them. So you just repeat them one after the other and liek that you'll be able to remind them later too.Other than that you can also visualize them. Liek that you enter them also in your memory.

The Colonel · 08-09-2006, 08:21 AM

Relaxation is key. Learn the fundamentals. Practice them over and over again. The upa is the simplest escape but the elbow escape is great also. I only use 4 escapes from the mount, everything else is just a variation or an escape into a leglock. Just keep moving. Don't go, okay I'm going to upa, oh that didn't work. Now lets go back to square 1. You upa, bam, that don't work, elbow escape, oh he blocked it, back to upa and you're out. Think about it like this, everytime you start your escape over again you're just giving your opponent time to settle his weight back on you and get his balance together again. Have an aggressive defense.

Tom Hishon · 08-09-2006, 08:42 AM

You will look back in a year and be amazed at where you are at. Just keep rolling and you will get better. Tap early and tap often and just restart. Position before submission.

**Zankou** · 08-09-2006, 11:22 AM

The key to escapes is (a) chaining them and (b) timing. This is why beginners are terrible at escaping. They only know one escape for each position, and they can't time to save their life.

For example, you will almost never knock a good opponent off mount if you just keep trying to upa them over and over again. But if you upa them and combine it with an elbow escape, that is a VERY powerful escape combo (probably the best way to escape mount IMHO). If he tries to fight the elbow escape, you upa him again. Then you whip onto your side and try to spin under him, attack the foot, upa --- you just keep coming at him until something sticks. Keep him off balance and flailing as you fight for that opportunity to succeed with one of your attempts.

It will come with training. The best escapers never let you get a good pin, and are constantly coming at you with combination escapes where each escape is executed with timing to take advantage of weaknesses in your position.

Don't get frustrated if you don't escape well at the beginning. It just takes time. I know that sucks to hear when you are trapped under a suffocating mount/N-S/side control, but it's how it is.

Fujimo · 08-09-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BullHogGrande

You will look back in a year and be amazed at where you are at. Just keep rolling and you will get better. Tap early and tap often and just restart. Position before submission.

couldnt have said it better myself

Sax MMA · 08-09-2006, 01:03 PM

breath and gather your thoughts when you are being smothered.....In the side mount I try to bump and twist my hips as well as twisting my shoulders from out of his grip. Keep drilling as easier said than done obviously.

We practice 4 mins at a time with being caught in side mount and trying to escape as well as trying to controll someone in sidemount. its nice to get both views and see what works