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Old 06-04-2008, 12:16 AM   #31 (permalink)

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I envy you to be able to be able to train under Rodrigo Medeiros. I have his dvds, and I really like the closed, open, half, side control, and back mount dvds. His stuff has really helped my game. My side control game is a lot greater after watching the dvd a few times and drilling the moves.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:32 AM   #32 (permalink)

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Thanks for posting some really nice, technical answers! Great to get some high quality advice on these boards.
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I have been teaching a pretty long time under Rodrigo's guidance, love teaching and am happy to share if anyone finds what I know useful.
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Old 06-07-2008, 08:45 PM   #33 (permalink)

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My coach, Rodrigo Medeiros has told me I should do some Youtube instruction vids for this position because I have alot of variations for sweep / sub options from there. Maybe after I finish the Worlds I will work on this as a side project if guys are interested.

It would be cool to see you performing the moves, I'm having trouble understanding the written explanation, expecially the first set-up. Would you add some details? (like left/right...)
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Old 06-07-2008, 09:06 PM   #34 (permalink)

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I get here a lot off a failed arm drag or failed attempt to take the back.
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Old 06-08-2008, 01:20 AM   #35 (permalink)

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Here is the series I use. I'll try to be as succinct as possible because it does sound confusing.

I will work to overhook my opponent's right arm from my guard. Works gi and no-gi

1. With my right hand I grab his right wrist and pull it to my stomach. It doesn't seem like to much of a danger to the opponent at this time.

2. I take my left hand and reach around his right arm a little above his elbow and grab his right wrist. At this point both hands are on his right wrist that is resting on my stomach.

3. Start pulling your left hand towards your opponent's right hip while pushing with your right hand. It is almost looks like a Kimura with the action on the arm person's arm.

4. Here is the good part. The person will react to relieve the pressure. The only way to relieve the pressure without giving up a dominant position is to swim their right arm away from their body. The overhook will just fall into place.

It is hard to explain in words, I hope it makes sense.

Little tip for keeping a tight overhook: make sure the bottom of your wrist lays flat to your chest. Keeping your wrist flat naturally flexes your bicep, meaning tighter grip with less strength. If you turn your wrist on its side you will notice the flex goes away and you have to put more effort into the squeeze. With your wrist flat just move your hand towards your shoulder to apply more pressure.

I'm a 140 lbs and need all of the skeletal and technical advantages I can muster and this technique works for me very well.
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Good one. Thanks. Just another reason I bookmarked this thread.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:24 AM   #37 (permalink)

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use an arm drag-overhook combo, i find that works for me in nogi.
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The overhook from the guard is something I am trying to study in depth. I can get triangles and omoplatas from there pretty easily IF I can get in this position.

My problem, however, is to get there in the first place. I only have two ways of doing it :

1) Cross grip the sleeve and pull on it, looping the elbow over my head as I get on my side.
2) I get a good cross lapel grip and I pull hard on the opp., getting on my side like in the other tech. This seems to work when spazzes try to jam their forearm into my throat.

Are there any other ways of doing it? Details I seem to be missing? Also, I have more success getting the overhook in gi as opposed to no gi. Both of the techniques I use to get it involve gi grips. So, any info on getting it in no gi?
in no gi it will always be a lot harder to control your opponents limbs, simply because you get so slippery most can just pull out (insert joke here) lol... i find when im in guard, and my opponent is posturing i pull my knees to my chest breaking his/her posture, and when he/she falls choose the arm you want the overhook and take it while they are off balance... works wonders if you can get it down
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