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Old 06-03-2008, 12:38 PM   #21 (permalink)

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While we're on this, what is the procedure on maintaining a tight overhook while you're working? Somehow I've never heard any advice on this.

You shrimp out to your overhook side, anything else? Annoying as hell when the pull out of a well-earned overhook--especially no gi.
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Old 06-03-2008, 12:52 PM   #22 (permalink)

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Demian Maia shows a super-easy, super-nasty wristlock counter for when someone overhooks your arm from closed guard.
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Old 06-03-2008, 02:26 PM   #23 (permalink)

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This thread is going places. I defy you all to not stop posting in it.
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Old 06-03-2008, 03:17 PM   #24 (permalink)

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This thread delivers.

I'll get the Bravo books (even though I have no plans on starting to play RG) and the Guilobel DVD.

Wait, for the Bravo stuff, do you recommend the DVD or the book?
I mean the book is geat cause you can take it anywhere, but if you have the money, he DVD is easier to follow... For me at least. I always follow BJJ better on film than than in pictures. The cool thing about the book is that Bravo really has a lot of etail and explanations on every single position, transition, move, etc. It's also laid out nicely. But the DVD gives me a better since of the timing, speed, details, etc. It's really all about how much money you want to spend if you ask me. I have both, but I got the bok back before there was a DVD in the first place.
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Old 06-03-2008, 04:00 PM   #25 (permalink)

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Wow, I just took a second to think about this...and that's genius. You said you have a lot of setups....any more you'd like to share?
Yep 2nd approach is from closed or butterfly off a wristlock attempt. Doesn't work as well as the fake guillotine approach but still a good option.

Opponent has grips on belt or pants or no-gi he is cupping armpits to kill your hips

Step1: With both hands, cup around and behind opponents tricep / elbow.

Step2: Sit up into opponent / Posture up, securing the wrist against your stomach. Maintain the cup on the back of the arm.

Step3: Important! Turn your opposite hip into his wrist towards the secured arm - this locks the wrist down but more importantly his only escape for the wrist / arm is outside your hip.

Step4: Apply pressure for the wristlock, if you get it BONUS, if not his wrist and arm are going to be off the hip /floor that you want to secure. Worst case scenario is his wrist / arm escape the other way and you have the armdrag.

Step5: Arm / wrist is on your hip / floor - shoot your arm high to secure overhook and switch hips outside.

Hope that helps.

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Old 06-03-2008, 04:08 PM   #26 (permalink)

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While we're on this, what is the procedure on maintaining a tight overhook while you're working? Somehow I've never heard any advice on this.

You shrimp out to your overhook side, anything else? Annoying as hell when the pull out of a well-earned overhook--especially no gi.
Gi and No-Gi I have the same approach -

#1- Heavy Shrimp outside.

#2- MOST importantly I walk the OUTSIDE foot on the flat of opponents back driving my inner thigh / knee onto his shoulder.

#3- Also with GI of course feed the outside lapel to your hand for securing the arm.

#4- No-Gi version - Chicken wing the arm high over shoulder, maintaining the earlier shrimp and foot posture, lay your palm flat on your stomach, holding it down to secure the overhook.

My coach, Rodrigo Medeiros has told me I should do some Youtube instruction vids for this position because I have alot of variations for sweep / sub options from there. Maybe after I finish the Worlds I will work on this as a side project if guys are interested.

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Old 06-03-2008, 08:03 PM   #27 (permalink)

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You're awesome Cowboy Jiujitsu! No doubt an instructional on this topic would be great. Kick ass at the worlds man.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:45 PM   #28 (permalink)

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You're awesome Cowboy Jiujitsu! No doubt an instructional on this topic would be great. Kick ass at the worlds man.
Thanks for the well wishes at the Worlds - I'm gonna need it. My division is STACKED (Brown Light Weight)

Let me know how that those setups and transitions work out for you guys. Any questions on that or any other stuff feel free to ask.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:02 PM   #29 (permalink)

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I envy you to be able to be able to train under Rodrigo Medeiros. I have his dvds, and I really like the closed, open, half, side control, and back mount dvds. His stuff has really helped my game. My side control game is a lot greater after watching the dvd a few times and drilling the moves.
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Thanks for the well wishes at the Worlds - I'm gonna need it. My division is STACKED (Brown Light Weight)

Let me know how that those setups and transitions work out for you guys. Any questions on that or any other stuff feel free to ask.
Thanks for posting some really nice, technical answers! Great to get some high quality advice on these boards.
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