Open Mat and Drilling vs Rolling

Frodo · 07-09-2006, 09:12 AM

Rolling Rolling Rolling. Hardly anyone ever wants to train during open mat! There is more to life than wrestling around with a sweaty person for thirty minutes. Um, let me rephrase that. Lloyd Irving wrote:

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Originally Posted by Lloyd Irving

I really can't stand to see people come to open mat and only spar. They're wasting valuable training time, unless maybe if they have a tournament coming up. I mean I love to spar just as much as the next person, but every time I get on the mat my only goal is to learn something.

A lot of times during open mat I will ask a higher belt to show me a technique even if I already know the move. Often it is one of the same moves we went over in class that week. Then I'll drill them with him/her or a few other white belts.

However, nobody ever wants to drill some things. Nobody does throws or takedowns with me. No judo uchikomi. No no-gi randori. There are a few expections (e.g. Balto) and they are very good partners. Granted rolling is an important part of training. I insist on some randori during every practice I organize personally. However, it isn't everything.

Why does hardly anyone ever want to train during open mat besides simply rolling the entire time?

flyingknee16 · 07-09-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Rolling Rolling Rolling. Hardly anyone ever wants to train during open mat! There is more to life than wrestling around with a sweaty person for thirty minutes. Um, let me rephrase that. Lloyd Irving wrote:

A lot of times during open mat I will ask a higher belt to show me a technique even if I already know the move. Often it is one of the same moves we went over in class that week. Then I'll drill them with him/her or a few other white belts.

However, nobody ever wants to drill some things. Nobody does throws or takedowns with me. No judo uchikomi. No no-gi randori. There are a few expections (e.g. Balto) and they are very good partners. Granted rolling is an important part of training. I insist on some randori during every practice I organize personally. However, it isn't everything.

Why does hardly anyone ever want to train during open mat besides simply rolling the entire time?

Because rolling is more fun than drilling tech.

Gsoares2 · 07-09-2006, 09:34 AM

i like to drill techinques.. just injured right now.

Just have to tell some people there or ask the guys who are your friends. Im sure their is someone who shares your view and would like to drill, or teach you new things to drill..

pyr0 · 07-09-2006, 09:48 AM

For me, the hour and a half is for learning techniques, and the half hour of open mat is to apply the techniques to a resisting opponent.

sanuces · 07-09-2006, 09:52 AM

there is a time and place for everything to me. i guess it depends on how im feeling. some days i prefer to drill stuff i intend on adding to my game, others i like to spar and see how it applies. our training sessions are pretty regimented so im sure to have enough sparring under my belt before open mat begins.

hayliks · 07-09-2006, 10:38 AM

Lloyd Irvin has his way of teaching, other people have their own.

I feel like I drill techniques enough when I'm learning them. If I'm uncomfortable with a few techniques, I'd probably train with a blue belt so I can try and apply them, ask them if what I was doing was effective. If I STILL am having problems, I'll go to a brown or black belt and ask them to show me the technique again.

farmboy · 07-09-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by flyingknee16

Because rolling is more fun than drilling tech.

It may be more fun, but drilling techniques is necessary to become better at your chosen art. If you don't your the basics and fundamentals, you're just rolling around while you spar, hoping to snag something you saw one of the upper belts do, or something you saw on the UFC last weeks. The thing is, it's important, also, to drill against live resistance, where, after you have the technique down, your uki doesn't give you what you want. You have to take it.

Soid · 07-09-2006, 01:46 PM

Do what works for you. I remember asking Rafa (Gordinho) the same question and he told me that I should do what works for me. But then again.. he's a multiple time world champion and a ADCC competitor.

EclipseAgent · 07-09-2006, 02:35 PM

Sure you can roll during open mat, and you will learn alot about position etc, but I agree practicing tech will allow you to flow more into submissions / out of submissions

greedysob · 07-10-2006, 01:58 AM

Do you mean drilling with resistance, or just drilling for repitition? I also think there's only so many times you can practice a move without the resistance before your wasting your time. If you practice a move 10 times, and then you still can't get it when sparring, 10 more times isn't really going to help you, unless you add in that resistance. Adding the resistance also keeps it fun.

I also like going live starting from different situations. For example, if it's half guard passes/sweeps you want to work on, start out that position and then go until somebody passes or sweeps. Try talking to your partners and find out if they're open to something like that.