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Old 12-01-2007, 04:36 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Open Guard Strategies for the Short-Legged Grappler

In my last newsletter I gave some suggestions about dealing with the open guard of long-legged and flexible opponents (archived here: http://tinyurl.com/34gcrn). In the interests of fairness and balance let's address some options for the opposite situation, namely what to do if you have shorter, inflexible legs.

Short-legged folks often get told that the open guard is not for them, and that they should mainly use the closed guard. Certainly developing a killer closed guard is an excellent plan, but you should also have some backup open guard options, because your guard WILL get opened at some point, AND/OR your opponent may not allow you to close your legs, OR your opponent may be too wide for you to cross your ankles behind his back.

Flexible Daddy Long Legs grapplers can get away with more in the open guard: they can be lazy about breaking their opponent's posture and imposing their grips and still recover against many near guard passes. Furthermore it is more difficult to footlock someone with long legs, so they don't even have to worry as much about dangling their legs and tempting ankle locks.

If your legs are short then none of this applies.

If you want to play a 'standard open guard' (i.e. maintaining one or both feet on your opponent's hips) with your short legs then you really have to break your opponent's posture. If you don't do this you basically give him an easy guard pass. If you are wearing the gi then get a lapel and sleeve grip and really PULL with your arms and really PUSH with your legs on his hips. This bends your opponent forward at the waist and removes at least 75% of his guard passing options. Without the gi you can achieve a similar effect by grabbing one of his wrists with both your hands, thumbs towards you, and locking it close to your chest while applying the same push-pull action as before.

If you have short legs you might also want to consider exploring some other guards that aren't as leg-length dependent. Here are some options:

1 - Butterfly Guard -especially if you concentrate on attacking with the armdrag and transitioning to X Guard)
2 - X Guard- hey, Marcelo Garcia (www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxaw7HE1-LM) doesn't have long legs either...
3 - Half Guard - a lot of half guard is based on getting closer to your opponent, not pushing his body away with your legs
4 - Sitting Guard and Instep Guard - these positions blend the butterfly guard and half guard.

It's no coincidence that I recommend these specific guards: although I am a tall person overall most of my height is accounted for by torso length, not leg length. Compared to other grapplers in the 6 foot height range I have have relatively short legs, and this is one reason I concentrated on the Butterfly Guard and X Guard (http://tinyurl.com/26akql) and the Half Guard (http://tinyurl.com/2yf4vw) in my own development as a grappler.

Finally keep in mind that short legs are usually powerful legs. You might not be able to scratch your own earlobe with your toe, but if you get your positioning right you can probably legpress that Daddy Long Legs into orbit!

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Old 12-01-2007, 05:13 PM   #2 (permalink)

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thanks for the info.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:07 PM   #3 (permalink)

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Butterfly, half and x guard is practically my whole game. I have pretty short legs and I'm real stocky (Jeff Monson meets CroCop type physique) but I'm also very flexible.

It's weird that you say short legged guys are usually told to work closed guard, I don't think I've ever heard that before. I've always heard butterfly/half is the way to go for guys with my stature.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:48 PM   #4 (permalink)

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I suppose the advice one receives depends on the school you train at. I've heard it from multiple sources, both online and offline.

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Old 12-01-2007, 08:41 PM   #5 (permalink)

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Interesting... I was on the impression that guard isnt for short-legged guys, rather they should get on top using wrestling, judo, or use guard for mostly sweeps. What do you guys think is better taller or shorter?
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:13 PM   #6 (permalink)

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Getting to the top is generally considered to be a good idea regardless of leg length.

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Old 12-01-2007, 11:37 PM   #7 (permalink)

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Getting to the top is generally considered to be a good idea regardless of leg length.

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True, however we have some guys here at like 240+ that are so big that when I mount them my knees barely touch the mat! What to do in this case Stephen?
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:54 PM   #8 (permalink)

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Mount on someone that big is very tricky, unless they are brand new and you love the basic armbar. Instead switch off to sidemount or, better yet, try and take his back.

Also read

Beating the bigger, stronger opponent
Beating the big guy (again)

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Old 12-02-2007, 12:43 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks for the thoughts on this subject Stephan. I have a pretty similar build -- 6'1", but with relatively short legs due to a very long torso. Still, I find that almost any open guard can be easily played if you have enough hip flexibility and can spin easily enough.

Really I feel short legs are less of a handicap for playing different types of open guard than short arms are. If you have short arms, then you need to play more of an overhook/underhook type game. If you have long arms, you can almost always keep switching between different open guard grips.
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:56 AM   #10 (permalink)

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LOL I have short arms and legs even for my size (5'4")! You described my game very well Zankou. The problem with short legs is that I have less time when opening my guard. With longer legs, you can work grips and stuff, but with shorter legs I find I have to be quick or I lose control.

Good stuff Stephan. I never had many problems being leg locked tho. I think the reason could be (1) they aren't practiced enough around here (2) I know the counters better than they know the recounters (3) I immediately react and close the space - being short makes it a little easier to bunch up on the person and protect my limps... Just guessing here.
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