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Old 11-18-2005, 02:14 PM   #1 (permalink)

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New Techniques at Gracie Barra Tampa - Crucifix Series

I'm very happy to announce that Gracie Barra Tampa has added a Techniques Section to our website. Eduardo de Lima is very eager to share his knowledge and hopes these techniques will be useful additions to grapplers’ games all over the world.

Here's the link in case you missed it above:

http://www.tampabjj.com/techniques/

In this first Crucifix Series, we're trying to offer material that isn't covered elsewhere online, or at least not in such detail. I think you guys will really like the techniques because they are positions that usually aren't trained very often. I personally use the crucifix all the time but find that many guys aren't familiar or comfortable with it, so hopefully these instructionals will help with that. They will come very naturally to anyone who has a game around taking the back, especially a harness game.

One of the things I've always disliked about many of the techniques you see online is how they often don't have enough pictures, and the descriptions are skimpy and leave out a lot of details. If there's a detail like a special grip that you can't see in a photo, why not take a close-up? If something can't be shown in still photos, why not explain it?

That's why we've really tried to get photos of everything, and where we didn't catch it in photos, we tried to address it thoroughly in text.

If anything, I'm worried the descriptions might be too much information, since I actually wrote more than you might learn in a single class (you'd probably want to just start drilling before you heard half of it). My reason for doing this is because I wanted to show the depth of each of these moves, and also offer you several levels of instruction on it.

So even if you read these techniques and only take away half of what we wrote, you'll still have a good idea of what to do in class. Then as you work on it more, you can come back to the techniques on our site and review it to see what else you can add in. Things that didn't make sense or seem important during the first read might be useful when you're trying to troubleshoot the technique later.

You'll see this in particular in the Reverse Omoplata, when we start going over several of the recounters to their counters. You don't really need this information the first time you learn the move, but as you start doing it more and more, you'll run into these problems, and the solutions are waiting for you on the site.

Let me know if you have any questions about the techniques or any requests for future ones, and I'll see what I can do for you.

Enjoy!

www.tampabjj.com

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Old 11-18-2005, 02:33 PM   #2 (permalink)

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very detailed... better than most books.

Lee looks like he's havin a blast.
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Old 11-18-2005, 03:25 PM   #3 (permalink)

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great post with some great moves!!!

i've seen all this before, but i did the reverse omoplata a little differently, by reaching under and grabbing his wrist to secure it instead of triangling my legs. ive been calling it a "super omoplata" (lol)because its on before you finish your roll as opposed to being nearly impossible to finish - so be careful with your training partners.
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Old 11-18-2005, 04:30 PM   #4 (permalink)

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Old 11-18-2005, 06:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Aresome technqiues! Very good progression.

Small off topic question - Was it a reverse omoplata that Pele tried to get against Newton?
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Old 11-18-2005, 09:51 PM   #6 (permalink)

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The Superplata sound wicked! I might have to try that...

Don't know about Pele vs Newton. That'd be awesome if you're right.

I had someone asking me if the reverse omoplata was a gi-only technique, because he thought it would be too slippery and insecure.

First off, I just got back no-gi class and got a reverse omoplata, using the exact setup on our site, while sparring with another blue belt. So yes, it works.

Moreover, like everything, it's slippier no-gi, but very workable. I actually first learned this in a no-gi class, and I've gotten it in sparring plenty of times without the gi.

Look at the grips again and you'll see that nothing is gi-dependant (though it obviously helps.)

Saulo Ribeiro shows it in his new no-gi instructional with some different details. He doesn't teach the same ending as shown on our site. Rather than worry too much about pinning the chest, he just practically jumps to his feet, cranking the arm for a fast submission. He also teaches to try to finish it without rolling them to the back, but I don't ever do it this way in training since I don't think it has enough control.

He also royally jacked Jamie Levine with it in the 2004 Pro Ams. Check it out:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5...p7437870iw.png

Saulo with the crucifix on Jamie. The arm is back.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8...15318946eq.png

Rolling.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9...p7500177fx.png

Harsh finish.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8...p7509857hi.png

Jamie royally jacked.

I actually know a guy who was afraid to try the reverse omoplata after seeing Saulo obliterate Levine with it, so I showed him the slower, more secure way to do and it he's not worried about it any more.
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Old 11-20-2005, 05:28 AM   #7 (permalink)

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It does not say how to escape the crucific though.

But my best bet if i were in one is to make sure i m on my back. he then cant force my arms back, which is the main point. but it does seem too formidable to get out. any1 knows of escapses from it?
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Old 11-20-2005, 07:18 AM   #8 (permalink)

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Very nice, I will have to try all those out the next time I roll.
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It does not say how to escape the crucific though.

But my best bet if i were in one is to make sure i m on my back. he then cant force my arms back, which is the main point. but it does seem too formidable to get out. any1 knows of escapses from it?
if he's got the standard crucifix - not the reverse omoplata hold on your arm - escape by first rolling over with him so you're on your back, facing the ceiling. then put your arm trapped between his legs in a keylock position and slide your elbow out (requires a little flexibility), using your feet to pull yourself away from the guy. now you're out. this escape leaves you open for another neck crank i dont think was shown on the link, but it gets you out and most people don't know the other one.
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Old 11-21-2005, 08:13 PM   #10 (permalink)

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I've done the cow catch before!!!!! I didn't know it was called that. Thta's a pretty funny name!
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