BJJ and Boxing(Martial Arts)

JesySpringield · 04-04-2007, 06:57 PM

This may not be the forum but...People always say that boxing is not a martial art because it is more like a sport, and has too many holes in it for it too be called a martial art. That it would not work alone in most streetfight or mma situations. I personally feel that it is a Martial art, for reasons that I fell are obvious. But for the People who think this which I know that they are out there.... So BJJ should not be considered as a martial art for the same reasons, of holes in its game. Like if you threw a punch doing BJJ thats not BJJ and if you threw a kick while boxing thats not boxing. And then no martial art is a martial art. Cause if you were just a kickboxer you have no ground game.

I just posted this too show a paradoxical example of why boxing is a martial art, and if you think that its not for those reasons you are mistaken.

Kimuralex · 04-04-2007, 07:16 PM

lol it sounds like your mad and this post is pretty damn random. you probobly should post it in the standup section as well. Bjj is a self defense art. Every martial art has holes in its game and i dont know who said "People always say that boxing is not a martial art because it is more like a sport, and has too many holes in it for it too be called a martial art. That it would not work alone in most streetfight or mma situations". Every single martial art out there that i know of has "holes" some more then others but they all do. I also never heard anyone say anything like that, i think martial arts has more to do with belts and ranking and tradition and all of that then what you described.

Boxing will for sure usually help you tremendously to win a fight imo and i think its awesome, i just think your post was totally random and who cares if boxing is a martial art or not? its still boxing either way you categorize it.

JesySpringield · 04-04-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimuralex

lol it sounds like your mad and this post is pretty damn random. you probobly should post it in the standup section as well. Bjj is a self defense art. Every martial art has holes in its game and i dont know who said "People always say that boxing is not a martial art because it is more like a sport, and has too many holes in it for it too be called a martial art. That it would not work alone in most streetfight or mma situations". Every single martial art out there that i know of has "holes" some more then others but they all do. I also never heard anyone say anything like that, i think martial arts has more to do with belts and ranking and tradition and all of that then what you described.

Boxing will for sure usually help you tremendously to win a fight imo and i think its awesome, i just think your post was totally random and who cares if boxing is a martial art or not? its still boxing either way you categorize it.

na bro I was just contemplating on some shit

SamuraiRat · 04-04-2007, 10:06 PM

Taekwondo to me has the most holes. Thats a sport, it only looks fancy. Boxing is not really pretty when it's done right. It's straight foward and brutal. I've been studying it from formerWBC champ Jesse James Leija. I hate when we're learning how to score points, but I love the counter punches, and clinch because that will win any street fight. BJJ in a fight means getting hit by your opponents friend while you try to secure a hold.

Frodo · 04-04-2007, 11:18 PM

BJJ's self defense aspects looks a lot like judo for self defense or aikido. You have to learn some striking and even more takedowns in order to get promoted by most instructors. All these "holes" are just the observations of people from mediocre schools or outside observers who don't know what they are talking about.

That said, the typical BJJer is horrible on self defense because they hardly ever train it. Then again, the typical BJJer is a white or blue belt. Most browns and above seem to spend a great amount of time on self defense aspects of BJJ.

Evan_The_Kid_1 · 04-04-2007, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SamuraiRat

Taekwondo to me has the most holes. Thats a sport, it only looks fancy. Boxing is not really pretty when it's done right. It's straight foward and brutal. I've been studying it from formerWBC champ Jesse James Leija. I hate when we're learning how to score points, but I love the counter punches, and clinch because that will win any street fight. BJJ in a fight means getting hit by your opponents friend while you try to secure a hold.

you could say the same thing about any standing art too. Not many arts are gonna do you good If you get jumped. A lot of the time though you will be able to fight one on one and only a few times will they have their friends jump in. Unless you live in a bad neighborhood.

Kimuralex · 04-05-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SamuraiRat

Taekwondo to me has the most holes. Thats a sport, it only looks fancy. Boxing is not really pretty when it's done right. It's straight foward and brutal. I've been studying it from formerWBC champ Jesse James Leija. I hate when we're learning how to score points, but I love the counter punches, and clinch because that will win any street fight. BJJ in a fight means getting hit by your opponents friend while you try to secure a hold.

thats retarded. I could very well say "boxing in a fight means getting hit in the back of your head by your opponents friends bat while trying to box the guy". In a one on one fight, usually a straight grappler will defeat a straight striker, so i dont know why your trying to downgrade an art. By the way i love boxing and plan on doing it later, not bashing it just showing how damn retarded your statement sounds.

04-05-2007, 10:17 AM

who said boxing isn't a martial art?

define martial art.

i dno't htink this is a necessary thread here @ sherdog.

most of us highly respect boxing. those that dno't, should just step in the ring.

knoxpk · 04-05-2007, 10:18 AM

Man I would take a sport oriented style for self defense purposes over a deadly "we cant practice this stuff live" style anyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strika · 04-05-2007, 10:33 AM

The only complete martial artist with minimal holes is Cross trained martial arts. The main 4 i have seen being BJJ, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Boxing. All of these work off of each other. Muay Thai and Boxing help each other with counters from more then one striking ability (ie Legs and hands) Wrestling and BJJ help each other with a wider variety of takedowns and agression from wrestling with the, patience and submissions of BJJ. You can not be a good martial artist with out some cross training. What do all MMA fighters want to be? WELL ROUNDED! The better WELL ROUNDED FIGHTER will win the match 99% of the time.