[almightysandman]

Originally Posted by Hit-or-be-hit

Ok so i go into work today and this guy i work with asks me the price of the place i go for jiu jitsu. so i tell him and he says he trains in ninjitsu. he then says to me that they are basically the same thing. I didn't reply but then i saw him about an hour later.
My friend and i tried explaining to him that they are not the same thing but he kept insisting that they were.
So then we kept talking about martial arts and i started talking about judo. so then he says that judo and jiu jitsu are the same thing
then we go onto muay thai. I currently train Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu.
the guy tries telling me that it's pointless to train Muay thai in america and that if i really want to learn it i need to go 2 Thailand.
Well then during my lunch he comes up to me and says do you know what martial art is really good. Then he says Aikido and says that he saw some video on line of a guy that knew that and he threw 10 people in 2 minutes and they all ended up on the ground.
Im here trying sooooo hard not to laugh at him while i am trying to eat my chicken sandwhich. Then he goes back on about ninjitsu and how he might get to learn to be invisible.
I am so amzed at how ignorant this guy i work with is when it comes to martial arts.

What the hell is the point of this thread dude?

[stlnl2]

Originally Posted by Hit-or-be-hit

Ok so i go into work today and this guy i work with asks me the price of the place i go for jiu jitsu. so i tell him and he says he trains in ninjitsu. he then says to me that they are basically the same thing. I didn't reply but then i saw him about an hour later.
My friend and i tried explaining to him that they are not the same thing but he kept insisting that they were.
So then we kept talking about martial arts and i started talking about judo. so then he says that judo and jiu jitsu are the same thing
then we go onto muay thai. I currently train Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu.
the guy tries telling me that it's pointless to train Muay thai in america and that if i really want to learn it i need to go 2 Thailand.
Well then during my lunch he comes up to me and says do you know what martial art is really good. Then he says Aikido and says that he saw some video on line of a guy that knew that and he threw 10 people in 2 minutes and they all ended up on the ground.
Im here trying sooooo hard not to laugh at him while i am trying to eat my chicken sandwhich. Then he goes back on about ninjitsu and how he might get to learn to be invisible.
I am so amzed at how ignorant this guy i work with is when it comes to martial arts.

Well, there is a former UFC champ who was ninjitsu trained when he won.........

[Darth Shlong]

Ninja's were highly skilled, very well trained and had discipline. Pirates were out of work sailor scumbags. Both have been romanticized by history but the ninja would win.

[Darkslide632]

Originally Posted by FLMikeATT

So ninjas were basically the medieval version of the sniper?

Regardless of how effective they were in pre-Meiji Japan, the modern Ninjitsu system is pretty worthless.

Swords and shurikens are useless, as you generally won't be carrying them around, and blades of certain length are illegal almost everywhere, and from the many former Ninjers at Bullshido.com, the striking and standup grappling is far inferior to any of the 'real' arts (bjj/judo/wrestling/sambo/boxing/muaythai/etc).

There is no reason at all to train Ninjitsu, unless you literally live in the middle of nowhere, with Ninjitsu as the only option, and even then, I would not do it.

No reason at all to train ninjitsu? That could certainly spark an interesting debate. Why do you think there's no reason to train in ninjitsu? Because it's not as effective as the other martial arts you listed? That's weird, because I train Judo and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is effective. I love the art. I love the principles that define the art, the history, the traditions and god damn if it isn't just a lot of fun. I suppose, if someone were to take on the attitude of someone like... say... you, and want to pretend they're Billy-Bad-Ass, then your point might have some merit. For those of us residing in the real world, however, sometimes shit is just fun. Hell, hammering my girlfriend while she is on the pill isn't exactly effective, but I still enjoy doing it...

[Kimuralex]

i wish i was as cool as you

[Yojimbo.]

Try your pussy ass bjj on me when you've got a poison dart in your neck, shuriken in your eye and I'm disappearing in a cloud of smoke.

some of you guys are clueless when it comes to real world martial arts.

[SFinclined]

Yeah them ninjas down on Hay street are badasses, they hang out in the trees and on top of the Marketplace. *shakes head*

[yer man]

there is a scottish dude who's been living in japan for the last 15 years or so training with a ninpo master and I can guarantee he would kick 90% of mma-ers asses in a street fight- he is a real bad ass

[FLMikeATT]

Originally Posted by Darkslide632

No reason at all to train ninjitsu? That could certainly spark an interesting debate. Why do you think there's no reason to train in ninjitsu? Because it's not as effective as the other martial arts you listed? That's weird, because I train Judo and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is effective. I love the art. I love the principles that define the art, the history, the traditions and god damn if it isn't just a lot of fun. I suppose, if someone were to take on the attitude of someone like... say... you, and want to pretend they're Billy-Bad-Ass, then your point might have some merit. For those of us residing in the real world, however, sometimes shit is just fun. Hell, hammering my girlfriend while she is on the pill isn't exactly effective, but I still enjoy doing it...

*sigh*

Yes, there is very little worth in modern ninjitsu. I don't like appeal to authority arguments, but I have been reading accounts of formal students of ninjitsu for 2+ years on Bullshido, so I have a very good idea of what it is like.

There is very little knowledge about the history of ninjas. In fact, Ninjitsu is a joke in japan, where Judo and Karate reign supreme. Some people are skeptical if ninjas were ever even used on a scale of which anime or movies might have you believe. Therefore, the history and tradition argument is invalid. Unless you are arguing for the tradition of LARPing, which indeed, goes back a long way.

There is 'martial' in martial arts. Meaning 'of, or relating to war or combat'. I don't go for the socializing, although I do indeed enjoy that. I train BJJ because it is fun, and has tons of uses in real combat.

And if your ideas of 'principles' is dressing up in a costume, waving around swords, throwing shurikens, rolling around and trying to be stealthy, and learning shitty striking and Aikidoish standing grappling, then I can't help you.

From whatever argument you come from (history, tradition, martial, RBSD), there is not a single one which would make someone who knows anything about martial arts train Ninjitsu.

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

Originally Posted by yer man

there is a scottish dude who's been living in japan for the last 15 years or so training with a ninpo master and I can guarantee he would kick 90% of mma-ers asses in a street fight- he is a real bad ass

If he is a true ninja master, then yes, in a street fight he would... Because he would just poison thier cheerios then they would die without knowing there was even a fight. Something today you would call murder or assassination. But one on one fight he would probably get Zulued (I do know you were joking too. At least it read like it.)