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Old 09-25-2005, 08:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Leglocks - why so neglected?

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like when I roll with a lot of guys, they comment when they notice I like to attack the legs. I don't always go for them, but whenever there's an opportunity I go for it. It even seems like I'll be with guys who are absolutely tooling on me in the positioning game, passing my guard and sidemounting me, but when I go for their legs, suddenly they're helpless. My first night at my MMA gym, I caught a purple belt with an inverted heelhook, I've caught two of my instructors with a toehold, and when I went up to TriStar, I tapped 4 guys in a row with a toehold.

The above sounds like I'm tooting my own horn, but it's really the opposite. I've been doing BJJ (no gi) for about 6 months, and while I do have a wrestling background, and I train and study MMA nonstop, I shouldn't be able to tap some of the guys who I have.

It seems to me like leglocks get neglected a lot, maybe because they're a little bit more difficult to teach? Guys just assume the only leglock there is is an Achilles tendon pull (footlock), and then when I start going for toeholds and heel hooks, they don't know what's going on.

So before you pick up that new book on guard techniques, or before you try to improve your mount position, start training some leglocks. They can be a little bit dangerous, but just know when you're caught. Start off from some common leg lock positions, and roll from there. Make sure to drill protecting your own legs into your head. It's easy to leave your legs vulnerable for attack. Obviously, from my avatar, I recommend checking out Bas' stuff. He's got some good material for picking up leg locks. He advocates the inverted heel hook over the regular heel hook, because it acts faster, and it's harder to slip out of (he broke a guy's shin with it in Pancrase). Now as people get to a higher level, obviously they start doing more with leg locks. But if you're not going to go for leg locks, you should train them anyways, because you need to know how to get out.

One of the best things about leg locks is, if a guy knows that you love attacking his ankles and knees, he really starts to get nervous. There's this guy at my MMA gym who's a lot bigger than me (and he's skilled; tough combo to beat), and he likes to play the game of holding me down in side mount and dominating me. I attacked him with a couple of leg locks, and after a rolling session he admitted that I made him afraid for his legs. After that, I could just fake a leg lock, and he'd start squirming and doing what he could to get away. When you make someone afraid to use their two most powerful limbs, that's really a mental victory. For example, if you break the guard, and stand up, it'll make passing that open guard a little bit easier, because he'll be worrying about you leglocking him, so he won't focus as much on you passing open guard.

Just some food for thought. Remember also that BJJ's major contribution to grappling was the positioning theory. Position before submission. I know Marc Laimon doesn't like leg locks because you have to usually go to a neutral position, instead of a dominant one, to get a leg lock. So it's definitely safer to try to go up the positional dominance ladder. But you should at least be training with leg locks.
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Old 09-25-2005, 08:56 AM   #2 (permalink)

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I agree. A lot of people are used to just dealing with the upper body, and are surprised when I go for their legs. 2 of my favorite moves are the toe hold and knee bar from on top in side mount. Dropping back for an achilles lock on someone with a good guard also works pretty well.
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Tapping purple belts and instructors at the age of 16. Hmm.. is Rickson your biological father?

Anyways I just think they might not be expecting you to go for leglocks when doing Gi jiujitsu because a lot of tournaments do not allow it. I would like to do leglocks but my school does not allow it for us novice people and I'm sure it's for a good reason. I only see people going for it in nogi.
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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leglocks are neglected because if the person knows how to defend it you risk losing position and getting into a really bad position. when i didnt know how to defend leglocks i got them slapped on all the time as soon as everyone knew i could defend them they stopped going for them
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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leglocks are neglected because if the person knows how to defend it you risk losing position and getting into a really bad position. when i didnt know how to defend leglocks i got them slapped on all the time as soon as everyone knew i could defend them they stopped going for them
Especially in MMA training. If you guys are just doing no-gi grappling, you don't have to worry about being pummeled.
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Old 09-25-2005, 01:23 PM   #6 (permalink)

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I don't even know how to do any real leg locks now that I think about it. People always try to slap them on me but I can kinda scramble my way out of them. Otherwise...I'm scrwed.
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Old 09-25-2005, 01:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i use leg locks all the time but i think the reason they're "neglected" is because they're not really taught at the white belt level and in a tournament you do risk loosing position if you don't finish a leg lock
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Old 09-25-2005, 02:25 PM   #8 (permalink)

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You need to remember that most people who train, do it for recreational reasons, just to have a little fun and stay in shape. A very small percent train hardcore when you look at the whole picture. A lot of guys who just train recreationally don't want to bust their ankles and get hurt and cause this to miss time at work, etc.. It's just a hobby guys, everybody isn't trying to be the ADCC champ or Pride champion.

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Old 09-25-2005, 02:33 PM   #9 (permalink)

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Tapping puple belts & instrutors? damn bro!

Im now just learning leglocks at my school and Im getting pretty good. And I was just wondering, is there an advantage for leglocks with taller people? (when your the taller guy)
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Old 09-25-2005, 02:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yeah this happens when a new guy who doesnt know leg locks comes in and trys some ccrap he saw on tv. Leg locks cause so many injurys especialy when a new guy is trying them out. They crank to far, or to fast for a tap and before you know it you have a knowledgable 5 year veteran out for months because some deuche bag caught a heel hook and twisted as hard as he could.

The guys you tapped probably were just being lazy and didnt think you were going to play a leg lock game so they let you get where you were.

Most leg locks anyone can do.. they are cake and if they are taught at an early stage in training people will be lazy and forget the positional game and just go for leg locks instead of passing the guard.

YOu would just have white belts trying to achiles lock and heel hook each other instead of passing the guard... which will result in them being inured.. which will result in them not comming to class... before you know it your gym is out of buisiness and your wife is turning tricks to pay the bills.

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