[jkoch]

Originally Posted by salboski

You should tell Marcelo that he's an idiot for letting Jacare get him with the Kimura. Then you can show him the proper technique to defend it. I'm sure he will appreciate you insight.

Ha, that's exactly what I was going to post!

[Zankou]

Originally Posted by LittleDawgie

Kimura from bottom is a noob move, only idiots leave their elbows exposed.

I used to think this too ... now I'm a kimura maniac. You almost never get the kimura (or omoplata) by just charging straight at it. You have to set it up in combination. Start pulling the arm across for the armdrag, then if he pulls it the other way throw in the kimura, then the americana (from guard, yeah) -- no matter where he puts it, he has problems. Go after that arm like a buzzsaw, don't just haplessly throw your legs up for the armbar/triangle.

If the guy is just postured up with his hands on the middle of your body, then yeah you can't get it. But the whole point is to get him broken down and fighting contrasting subs, keep transitioning. A guard game that lacks the kimura/omoplata is a sad guard game indeed.

As far as tips for setting it up, just like I said -- you want to set it up by going for another option that he is fighting against. I like using it to follow up an armdrag or arm wrap attempt. He will fight like the devil pulling his arm back to keep you from getting those. So you just switch direction on his arm, punch the back of his tricep with your knee, and voila, a deep kimura/omoplata.

[Tap'rSnap]

it really is dangerous to try it on anyone with decent jj skills bc you're completely open to an armbar.

[Yojimbo.]

Originally Posted by Tap'rSnap

it really is dangerous to try it on anyone with decent jj skills bc you're completely open to an armbar.

I think the OP means kimura from the guard

[hayliks]

Originally Posted by LittleDawgie

Kimura from bottom is a noob move, only idiots leave their elbows exposed.

i used to use this quite a bit and had a lot of success with it at every level.

[Magooglie]

I love the kimura from the bottom. A lot of people will concentrate on defending the armbar or triangle and tend to forget about the kimura.

[Goon Dog]

Originally Posted by Zankou

I used to think this too ... now I'm a kimura maniac. You almost never get the kimura (or omoplata) by just charging straight at it. You have to set it up in combination. Start pulling the arm across for the armdrag, then if he pulls it the other way throw in the kimura, then the americana (from guard, yeah) -- no matter where he puts it, he has problems. Go after that arm like a buzzsaw, don't just haplessly throw your legs up for the armbar/triangle.

If the guy is just postured up with his hands on the middle of your body, then yeah you can't get it. But the whole point is to get him broken down and fighting contrasting subs, keep transitioning. A guard game that lacks the kimura/omoplata is a sad guard game indeed.

As far as tips for setting it up, just like I said -- you want to set it up by going for another option that he is fighting against. I like using it to follow up an armdrag or arm wrap attempt. He will fight like the devil pulling his arm back to keep you from getting those. So you just switch direction on his arm, punch the back of his tricep with your knee, and voila, a deep kimura/omoplata.

Well said. People understand why you throw strikes in combination, rather than singles. Why would ground moves be any different? Smooth transitions make you or break you.

[Iron Shu]

Kimura from the bottom is an awesome move. Definitely don't shy away from it because of some posts on here. It will be one of your many tools for all your BJJ career.

[Gorgar]

IF the Kimura fails you can do plenty of nasty stuff, very good position to be.

[ROMEssiah]

I gotta get some practice in anyway and this thread has gotten me all amped up now to sneak up and take my roommate to the ground and see what I get him in.
lol
He's gonna hate this forum in about two seconds.