Judo throws and sweeps in BJJ - Page 2

georgejjr · 05-08-2008, 04:47 PM

Interestingly enough, you'll very rarely see the classical form of osoto gari shown above in a judo competition ... to get an idea of a competition osoto gari, do a youtube search on Yamashita, you'll see how its done by arguably the best osoto gari player in history.

YeahBee · 05-08-2008, 04:53 PM

I mostly hit it from a combo, hipthrow or ippon seo entry givers you the oppurtunity to do it as devastating as that,

I don't watch much int judo do they realy hit it like Yamashita even now? you mean that long reaching kinda hoping thing with little chest/shoulder shrug?

codemonkey76 · 05-08-2008, 05:05 PM

with the hunched over jiu-jitsu stance and no-one throwing in combinations i have never seen a osoto gari in jiu-jitsu comp... the most common my guess would be.
1. Double leg takedown
2. Kosoto Gari
3. Really bad looking uchi mata's with the thrower ending up face down with the other guy on his back

YeahBee · 05-08-2008, 05:14 PM

you did JJJ before BJJ IIRC codemonkey

any throws you kept?

georgejjr · 05-08-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by YeahBee

I mostly hit it from a combo, hipthrow or ippon seo entry givers you the oppurtunity to do it as devastating as that,

I don't watch much int judo do they realy hit it like Yamashita even now? you mean that long reaching kinda hoping thing with little chest/shoulder shrug?

Yup, that's the osoto you'll get if you watch international level judo, or even national level. There's almost no way to get into position for the traditional osoto, by the time you step forward your opponent has either moved back, or countered with something like o-ouchi or ko-uchi gari on your forward foot. The traditional osoto gari is great against people who've never grappled, but not useful against someone who's experienced. You see it alot when beginners fight, and then never again.

One point: the reaching osoto gari (some actually say its really more of an osoto otoshi, though I think naming becomes pretty arbitrary at that point) is mainly used cross grip ... ie when left handers fight right handers. It doesn't work as well against right-right or left-left gripers. Same thing is true for tai-otoshi btw.

Throatpoker · 05-08-2008, 06:34 PM

I was taught the Osotogari last week, and I gotta say that it's extremely fun to do. My instructor focuses on no-gi throws, even during our gi days, but the 'Gari just clicked for me.

**Q mystic** · 05-08-2008, 07:51 PM

I wanna see a bjjer that has well rounded nice throws that didn't do official judo.

Like Thales Leites?

There is a system that judo should offer that makes you a base out fighter for throws.

Drew Foster · 05-08-2008, 08:56 PM

Did Saulo and Xande do Ju?

I know Jacare did, and I thoguth the 2 brothers did, but I'm not sure...

Anyone know?

Drew Foster · 05-08-2008, 09:01 PM

Shinya Aoki nails Osoto often in Gi and No-Gi. And he actually does it fairly textbook. He's one of the only guys that I've seen do Osoto consistently without the gi. He even did a huge one in ADCC 2005.

IChinaManI · 05-08-2008, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codemonkey76

with the hunched over jiu-jitsu stance and no-one throwing in combinations i have never seen a osoto gari in jiu-jitsu comp... the most common my guess would be.
1. Double leg takedown
2. Kosoto Gari
3. Really bad looking uchi mata's with the thrower ending up face down with the other guy on his back

The over shoulder grip+uchi mata will launch guys in that stance man.