Judo Newaza ground comps?

[YeahBee]

Judo Newaza ground comps?

The head of my club attended a regional board meeting of some sort and reported back saying that we would soon have newza tournaments between a few clubs in the area. Supopsedly alotta the adult judokas find competition too hard, they are rec-judokas so I don't blame them. In the area there are some judokas who compete in a national and European level but they don't seem to bother much with our regional league tournaments (you accumulate points and so on) BAsically the winner is the guy who enters msot comps just . SO my clubpresident said that newaza tourneys would be a great way of geting more people to compete, both the rec-judokas and the comp-judokas (less chance of an injury and not jeopardizing a future high level comp perhaps)

He said that there was a international rule set for these comps? Ever heard of it? Ever done it?

[knoxpk]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

Judo Newaza ground comps?

The head of my club attended a regional board meeting of some sort and reported back saying that we would soon have newza tournaments between a few clubs in the area. Supopsedly alotta the adult judokas find competition too hard, they are rec-judokas so I don't blame them. In the area there are some judokas who compete in a national and European level but they don't seem to bother much with our regional league tournaments (you accumulate points and so on) BAsically the winner is the guy who enters msot comps just . SO my clubpresident said that newaza tourneys would be a great way of geting more people to compete, both the rec-judokas and the comp-judokas (less chance of an injury and not jeopardizing a future high level comp perhaps)

He said that there was a international rule set for these comps? Ever heard of it? Ever done it?

That would be awesome! Guaranteed the clubs actually interested in these type of events would produce some very good ground fighters.

[PhxJudoJujitsu]

I've never heard of it. It must not be IJF endorsed.

[YeahBee]

Could it jsut be the rules that the blind and/or handicapps use in the special olympics? From what I recall they do only newaza?

[PhxJudoJujitsu]

Possibly, honestly this is the 1st i've heard of it. Can you get any info for us?

[mr. tadashi]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

Could it jsut be the rules that the blind and/or handicapps use in the special olympics? From what I recall they do only newaza?

The blind Judo completion is for the most part like a regular match depending on the classification(Being legaly blind they can range from very limited visibly to pretty much none in witch a person would have to both people have their grip before the match starts.)

This is the first I have herd also it sounds like a throw back to the Kosen ruleset that was used in Japan long ago.

[imnotanrtard]

It seems kind of odd. Judo doesnt have points for positions on the ground like mount and back mount, but maybe they do in these competitions. This is like having a takedown bjj tournament.

[knoxpk]

I dont know if this ever existed but IMO it would be fairly easy to create a rule set for this type of comp.
Ippon type throw-5 points
any lesser takedown 2 points
takedowns can be scored ONCE (this to encourage ground work) escapes are worth 1 point reversals are worth 2 points.
Partial pins (less than 20 seconds) scores 3 points full pins and subs end the match.
No guard pulls or butt scooting allowed.

I think it would still be in the spirit of Judo, while emphasiizing the ne waza portion of the art.

[knoxpk]

hmmmmmmm...found this on judoinfo site....

Seems to me that pre olympic rules Judo matches were straight Ippon. either by throw, pin or sub.

This explains why a fight could go for quite some time on the ground. It appears that if you threw for less than Ippon that you could go n fighitng on the ground for as long as it would take to pin or sub. Looks like there were no holds disallowed either.

Kano Jiu-Jitsu Contest Rules
The Original Kodokan Judo Tournament Rules
H. Irving Hancock and Katsukuma Higashi, The Complete Kano Jiu-Jitsu (Judo), (New York: Dover Publications, 1905)
1. Each contestant shall wear coat and belt.


2. A contestant shall be deemed to have been defeated when his two shoulders and hips shall have touched the floor, provided that said contestant shall have reached this position on the floor through having been thrown down.

3. A contestant shall be deemed to have been defeated when in such position on the floor, if said combatant cannot free himself from his opponent's arms within two seconds' time.
4. A contestant shall be deemed to have been defeated when from any cause or causes he may become unconscious. But it is not permitted to use serious tricks when the wrestling bout is between friends. Such tricks as kicking and the breaking of arms, legs, and neck are barred.

5. A combatant shall be deemed to have been defeated when he has been reduced to submission through the employment by his opponent of any hold or trick.
6. When a defeated combatant finds himself obliged to acknowledge his submission, he must pat or hit the floor or his antagonist's body, or somewhere, with his hand or foot. This patting with foot or hand is to be regarded as a token of surrender.

7. When a defeated combatant pats or hits the floor, or anywhere, in token of submission, the victor must at once let go his hold.

8. It is understood and agreed that the Jiu-Jitsu man, whether he fights a boxer or contests with a wrestler, shall be allowed to use in his defense any of the tricks that belong to the art of Jiu-Jitsu.

9. It is further understood and agreed that the Jiu-Jitsu man assumes no responsibility for any injury or injuries caused by any act or thing done during the contest, and that the Jiu-Jitsu man shall be held free and blameless for any such ill effect or injury that may be received during the contest.

10. Two competent witnesses representing each side, or four in all, shall see to it that these articles of agreement are properly drawn, signed, and witnessed, to the end that neither contestant or other participant in the match shall have cause for action on any ground or grounds resulting from any injury or injuries, or death, caused during the contest.

[YeahBee]

I just imagined us starting on our knees like in training or like handicapped people in the paralympics,

win by 25 sec pin or sub, and perhaps lesser points for shorter pins