[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by Q mystic

you can pick more than 1.

take your time ..really

p.s. Ill do one for bjj, wrestling or whatever if asked.

In order of preference:

5 is the winner for me. Good vid, music works, appropriately short.

4 has great production values and at least the music is original but not really...upbeat enought or something. WTF is that throw at 2:06 BTW? Pretty baddass, whatever it is.

3 is good, the Drowning Pool song has been put to like 100 HL vids but especially appropriate for Judo HL. Length is good at 2:00. The vid itself is average.

1 and 2 are out for fucktarded music and too long. I mean, is Judo so "gangsta" that Judo HL vid needs some thug rap for a soundtrack?

[chetthejet]

sweet vids

[Thrawn33]

All of them of course! I can watch Judo vids for hours straight. Seriously.

Some have better/more fitting music than the others, but all were good.

[georgejjr]

In terms of the video, the 3rd is my favorite ... really like the selection in it. Were the black and white clips from really old competitions (ie pre-80's)? I notice they're all white gi on both competitors, which is now only used in Japan. I like the sound track of the 2nd more though.

Pretty nice job Q

[Zankou]

Judo HLs rule.

Although it always amazes me how the "winner" so often ends up in a horrible position, having giving up his back/mount etc, and yet he still wins due to points or ippon or however the scoring works.

[Kimuralex]

Originally Posted by Zankou

Judo HLs rule.

Although it always amazes me how the "winner" so often ends up in a horrible position, having giving up his back/mount etc, and yet he still wins due to points or ippon or however the scoring works.

its not usually in a bad position, i never seen anyone get an ippon and end up mounted...sometimes a scrambled back control-like position..thats about it.

theres flaws in every sport

[georgejjr]

Originally Posted by Zankou

Judo HLs rule.

Although it always amazes me how the "winner" so often ends up in a horrible position, having giving up his back/mount etc, and yet he still wins due to points or ippon or however the scoring works.

Unfortunately, since the mid-90's the rules have led to that. Now almost any throw that lands your opponent flat on his back, even if its just a gentle roll, gets an ippon. The best way of ensuring that against an agile opponent who will try to twist in mid-air or post on an arm is to roll yourself while doing the throw. Try it yourself, it isn't hard to convince yourself on how it works. The result is the thrower (tori) often ends up in a bad position, but since the ippons are easily gained competitors are going for it, especially at high level competitions (olympics etc) where almost everyone is extremely athletic and will do some pretty amazing gymnastics mid-air. In fact, they had to outlaw a few techniques (such as diving uchimata's) because competitors risked severe spinal damage in order to get that roll in ...

If you watch videos from the 60's and 70's you'll see very little of that, because to gain an ippon from a throw you had to basically blast your opponent through the mats ... ie you twisted into the throw rather than doing a roll because the strength of the impact was as important as landing uke on his back. That kind of throw isn't done much anymore because a good competitor will twist in the air while being thrown and land on his side - and today, no matter how hard you throw someone, if they land on their side its worth a yuko at most ... referees are instructed to look almost completely on body position of uke upon landing (plus a bit on control). Moreover, in the old days (back when we had to walk 5 miles to school, uphill both ways ) since ippons were judged harshly, matches were 10 to 15 minutes, and whole fights sometimes took place on the ground, throwing someone and rolling was dangerous ... even if you got a wazari (back then there was nothing less than wazari ... no yuko's or koka's, and even wazari's were fairly hard to come by .. most modern ippons wouldn't qualify because of lack of force), if you ended up underneath your opponent you had a good chance of losing to osae komi.

There's a lot of old time competitors, who when we aren't chasing the neighboring kids off the grass (except for our grandkids of course, who are an exception to how bad the new generation is ), think that getting into the olympics (at least since the 80's when the IJF started thinking that judo should try to become a spectator sport at the olympic level - no idea how that could ever happen, most non-grapplers are bored by any kind of grappling) was one of the worst things to happen to judo. It's not a question of the competitors, the top level guys are very athletic, and can throw to drive you through the mats if that's what the scoring asks, its the rules. If you're out to win olympic gold, you're going to play to the rules that are there ... the rolling ippons are done because its an advantage to compete using them.

[Thrawn33]

Originally Posted by georgejjr

Unfortunately, since the mid-90's the rules have led to that. Now almost any throw that lands your opponent flat on his back, even if its just a gentle roll, gets an ippon. The best way of ensuring that against an agile opponent who will try to twist in mid-air or post on an arm is to roll yourself while doing the throw. Try it yourself, it isn't hard to convince yourself on how it works. The result is the thrower (tori) often ends up in a bad position, but since the ippons are easily gained competitors are going for it, especially at high level competitions (olympics etc) where almost everyone is extremely athletic and will do some pretty amazing gymnastics mid-air. In fact, they had to outlaw a few techniques (such as diving uchimata's) because competitors risked severe spinal damage in order to get that roll in ...

If you watch videos from the 60's and 70's you'll see very little of that, because to gain an ippon from a throw you had to basically blast your opponent through the mats ... ie you twisted into the throw rather than doing a roll because the strength of the impact was as important as landing uke on his back. That kind of throw isn't done much anymore because a good competitor will twist in the air while being thrown and land on his side - and today, no matter how hard you throw someone, if they land on their side its worth a yuko at most ... referees are instructed to look almost completely on body position of uke upon landing (plus a bit on control). Moreover, in the old days (back when we had to walk 5 miles to school, uphill both ways ) since ippons were judged harshly, matches were 10 to 15 minutes, and whole fights sometimes took place on the ground, throwing someone and rolling was dangerous ... even if you got a wazari (back then there was nothing less than wazari ... no yuko's or koka's, and even wazari's were fairly hard to come by .. most modern ippons wouldn't qualify because of lack of force), if you ended up underneath your opponent you had a good chance of losing to osae komi.

There's a lot of old time competitors, who when we aren't chasing the neighboring kids off the grass (except for our grandkids of course, who are an exception to how bad the new generation is ), think that getting into the olympics (at least since the 80's when the IJF started thinking that judo should try to become a spectator sport at the olympic level - no idea how that could ever happen, most non-grapplers are bored by any kind of grappling) was one of the worst things to happen to judo. It's not a question of the competitors, the top level guys are very athletic, and can throw to drive you through the mats if that's what the scoring asks, its the rules. If you're out to win olympic gold, you're going to play to the rules that are there ... the rolling ippons are done because its an advantage to compete using them.

Very good explaination. You explained it better than I could. Kudos for that.

Thats one of the reasons I like ippons via newaza. There is no room for debate. The person tapped, was definatly pinned, or is unconsious/crippled. There's nothing for the ref's to screw up.

BTW if you hate the way international refs call ippons, you should see how bad the state/local refs are in my neck of the woods: disgraceful. They do everything in their power to end the match as quickly as possible, what ever you do don't even look like you've been thrown otherwise plan on getting a wazari or ippon called against you; never mind you spun out of the the throw or landed on your butt.

[Afro thunder]

Q mystic i get the feeling that you really like judo.

[georgejjr]

Originally Posted by Thrawn33

Very good explaination. You explained it better than I could. Kudos for that.

Thats one of the reasons I like ippons via newaza. There is no room for debate. The person tapped, was definatly pinned, or is unconsious/crippled. There's nothing for the ref's to screw up.

BTW if you hate the way international refs call ippons, you should see how bad the state/local refs are in my neck of the woods: disgraceful. They do everything in their power to end the match as quickly as possible, what ever you do don't even look like you've been thrown otherwise plan on getting a wazari or ippon called against you; never mind you spun out of the the throw or landed on your butt.

Probably because they're local black belts who are only refereeing because no one else will do it ... its a volunteer activity, and sometimes you end up going eight hours straight at a tournament

I don't enjoy refereeing either (there's a lot more fun things to do at a tournament, like visit with all your old friends and just sit back and watch the competition as a spectator) and I have to admit I love it when a fight ends with a quick ippon. In local tournaments I try not to give them easily, being old school myself, though its probably a wasted effort in that my corner's regularly upgrade wazari's to ippon, and often even yuko's to ippon. If its a higher level tournament I call by the rules and give softer ippons, simply because that's the instructions from the head referee, and at that level the competitors are there to win and deserve consistent refereeing, which means calling by IJF standards - even if the IJF is wrong