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Old 05-23-2006, 09:50 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Judo Combo Throws?

I was wondering what failed throw attempts end up in an entry position for another throw, combos that work for you or have worked against you ... even setups that work, i'm tryin to expand my game
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you mess up a drop throw (any throw where you turn your back to your partner and drop to your knees) and he's going to take your back, you can just let go of your grips and roll forward.

Your legs take out his legs if you did everyone thing else of the throw correct, and you end up on his back. Hard to describe so I'll try better.

Say I want to do a shoulder throw, I set up correctly and I turn and drop to my knees all correct. I'm very deep with my body between his legs, but a lot of guys will try to drop onto you and try to take the back. If you waste any time, he'll try to get grips and hooks and you've lost, so as soon as you know your throw is blocked, release your hand grips and just roll forward. V-out your legs and you'll kick out his knees safely and he falls on his butt, on you and you have the back.

I used to be able to throw a lot of guys with shoulder throws and *** arm drags, but they've all been getting wise and expecting it enough to take my back 50/50. So I've been working harder on his now and I get it fairly often. I'll set my throw up and get deep on the drop and just go into this move like I didn't even intent to do the shoulder throw. I can do it without grips fairly well. If we gripfight too long, I'll dive in there without grips, maybe I'll knock his hands away from my gi and go for it.

This might not work in comp Judo. I don't know.
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:00 AM   #3 (permalink)

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Judo is based on

* SEN, initiative

* GO NO SEN counter initiative

* SEN NO SEN initiative on the counter of initiative

It's hard that u will throw the opponent with ur single throw, and u must use a Renraku (sequence of throw , each throw unbalance the opponent untill u succeded in throw him)

A Renraku is like Kouchi gari to Seoi Nage.

Instead of a Renrarku u can use a Damashi (fake attack) so u opponent make a defence to the techniqeu u are faking and u can use his defence to unbalance and throw him.

The Opponent can defend himself simply dodging or blocking ur attach or countering with a Kaeshi ( Like O uchi gari countered by O Uchi Gaeshi)
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Something I've been trying out recently is using an uchimata to set up my tai-otoshi (same side), the uchi seems to be pretty good at getting them onto one leg and starts them moving right into the tai-otoshi.
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Old 05-24-2006, 09:16 AM   #5 (permalink)

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Harai Goshi is my main throw. I use a few combinations to get there. This is a list of my usual combinations.

Hiza Guruma to Harai Goshi
Ouchi Gari to Harai Goshi
Hiza Guruma to Ouchi Gari to Harai Goshi
Deashi Harai to Harai Goshi
Hiza Guruma to Ouchi Gari to Yoko Guruma
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Old 05-24-2006, 10:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Judo is based on

* SEN, initiative

* GO NO SEN counter initiative

* SEN NO SEN initiative on the counter of initiative

It's hard that u will throw the opponent with ur single throw, and u must use a Renraku (sequence of throw , each throw unbalance the opponent untill u succeded in throw him)

A Renraku is like Kouchi gari to Seoi Nage.

Instead of a Renrarku u can use a Damashi (fake attack) so u opponent make a defence to the techniqeu u are faking and u can use his defence to unbalance and throw him.

The Opponent can defend himself simply dodging or blocking ur attach or countering with a Kaeshi ( Like O uchi gari countered by O Uchi Gaeshi)

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Old 05-24-2006, 01:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Mmmmm there's not a lot of throws that can't be followed up with another throw.....
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Something I've been trying out recently is using an uchimata to set up my tai-otoshi (same side), the uchi seems to be pretty good at getting them onto one leg and starts them moving right into the tai-otoshi.
Some HW burried me in the mat a few wks ago doing exactly that.
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I think before you said you like seoinage. Morote I assume. Some popular combos to that are ko-uchi, osoto, sweeps. I used to go rite morote and after they jam come up and go rite into left ippon seoi. A couple others were I would go for single leg pick up for an ouchi and fail a few but by then he was weary of my leg grab. Then I would fake a leg grab to where he pulled it back (just slap it) and morote. Also if they know you like seoi then fake a hard kuzushi for morote and slip your rite leg behind his legs as you step in and throw for taniotoshi.

You could work osoto for follow thru direction. Ko-uchi for backward and tani for other side counter.
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I was talking about Ko uchi to Eri Seoi nage (or Eri seoi Otoshi). I like it more than morote cause i can change to Yama Arashi instead of Eri Seoi , or if they block with a Go Defence I can use Kataguruma grapping the opposite leg twisting.

Here some Renrarku and Kaeshi Waza


http://www.meutatame.com.br/judoingl..._combinado.htm Renraku

http://www.meutatame.com.br/judoingl...ra_golpres.htm Kaeshi
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