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Old 06-23-2006, 08:44 PM   #61 (permalink)

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I respectfully disagree. I've seen him in a couple tournaments, and Ryan is very good. His record as a blue belt proves it. Just because a very talented brown belt schooled him, that means little. I still think Ryan is quite good and not one dimensional. He's just working that triangle/bottom game these days as Lloyd Irvin is coaching him to do. It's part of his training regimen.
I'm not taking away anything from him skill wise. What I should have worded was I hate Lloyd's marketing and the way he is marketing Ryan Hall like he is a phenom. He is trying to build up another MFowler.
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Old 06-23-2006, 09:39 PM   #62 (permalink)

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ryan hall beat me with an armbar at around the 8th minute.. he kept trying to lure me into his upside down guard.. and i nearly passed (thats what he told me, maybe he was trying to make me feel better) but i always felt the triangle creeping in, so i would pull away. i almost lasted through overtime.. but i got a little over-eager to pass because if time ran out then he would have easily won on advantages
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Old 05-14-2008, 10:31 AM   #63 (permalink)

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Old 05-14-2008, 12:09 PM   #64 (permalink)

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I a big fan of inverted guard and it is a solid part of my game.


Biggest reason i like it is it ease to keep a open guard all the time. It makes returning guard from any postion much easier.

It also opens up a lot of omo platta, armlock, and of course triangle attacks. Also for some reason i always end up with Armdrags as i spin back to a standard guard as people try to back away from the triangle or omoplatta... they give you the energy you need to rock up into the arm drag.

Also when people stand to pass it you can attack the legs, or spin back to a standard DLR, or spider guard.

Its a guard that i got into playing simply because it matched my game, and was a lot of fun. I like big spinning motions where i can get a lot of momentum and turn it into an attack.. thats essentialy what happens with Inverted guard.. you spin into attacks.. like break dancing.

The break dance guard.. is a trademark!

I started playing it a lot in gi with the wrapping bicep guard. Ive also heard it called crab guard.. Once you wrap a bicep you can turn on your shoulder as people pass and go inverted leaving you with triangles and omoplattas. Thats where it all started for me.. and now i play the guard as a return from NS, and pretty much any where else.

The biggest disadvantage to the guard is it can put a lot of stress on the lower back if you are using it constantly. You need to have a flexible spine, and a good grasp on the idea of spinning from inverted back to regular guards. Best way to practice is to go sit next to a wall with your head facing the wall feet facing away. Roll back on your shoulders and let your feet touch wall. Cross them and then spin to normal guard.. and then spin back.. Repeat.
When you play the actual guard you wont need to cross your feet because youll have sleave grips, or wrist grips to spin you.. but for this drill.. cross your ankles so that when you spin they uncross and then youll have to recross them to spin again.


Another good drill just to get the notion of the guard is Rolling over backwards. but not completely. Roll back over each shoulder one at a time till your feet touch the ground and your still on your shoulder. always making sure to tuck your head so you make a clean fast rollback. Then just keep alternating.. No need to completely roll over. Roll over the shoulder touch your feet, and then roll back ont he opposite shoulder.. Your neck and head need to get used to you only staying on that specific portion of your shoulders.


And i think its funny anyone bashing ryan hall - the simple fact that you all even know his name, speaks volumes to his ability and reputation.
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Ryan Hall is brown belt right now competing at purple belt in the Pan Americas. It is a set up for a leg lock or triangle from the inverted guard.
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ryan hall beat me with an armbar at around the 8th minute.. he kept trying to lure me into his upside down guard.. and i nearly passed (thats what he told me, maybe he was trying to make me feel better) but i always felt the triangle creeping in, so i would pull away. i almost lasted through overtime.. but i got a little over-eager to pass because if time ran out then he would have easily won on advantages
do you feel any better about that loss now that he taps out world class BB's on a fairly steady schedule? lol
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:55 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Best way to practice is to go sit next to a wall with your head facing the wall feet facing away. Roll back on your shoulders and let your feet touch wall.
Can you explain that first sentence again? I couldn't follow how your head would face the wall but your feet wouldn't (not sure what it means for the feet to "face" a particular thing in any case). Are you sitting with your back to the wall to begin with?
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Old 05-14-2008, 03:59 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I got a way to deal with it, punch them in the face.
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Old 05-14-2008, 04:24 PM   #69 (permalink)

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The break dance guard.. is a trademark!

I started playing it a lot in gi with the wrapping bicep guard. Ive also heard it called crab guard.. Once you wrap a bicep you can turn on your shoulder as people pass and go inverted leaving you with triangles and omoplattas. Thats where it all started for me.. and now i play the guard as a return from NS, and pretty much any where else.

The biggest disadvantage to the guard is it can put a lot of stress on the lower back if you are using it constantly.

I love this game! Most people wonder what the heck I am doing. But you are right, it does cause lower back pain.

Spinning from spider 'crab' guard to omoplata, triangle, or full guard:
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Excuse me for the newb question, but aren't you awfully vulnerable to foot and ankle attacks with this guard?
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