If you were to coach nogi judo...

**Q mystic** · 06:51 PM

Would you start them in gi just like judo and change the concept more for mma/grappling....... and then to nogi? (since what they are looking for)

Or would you start straight nogi judo and change concept to grappling/mma?

How and why? Thanks.

Quite a bit to this I think.

I think that I would start them nogi and just drastically change the rules to game to make it JUDO olympic philosophy....without the ippon, which would create more ground. But I would score higher for top and nothing for sweep from bottom. Keep holdowns for hi score but again, no ippon. Low score and penalty for shitty shots to keep them uprite. This is more for mma grappling.

Ideally, if I were to get a young teen, I would go with the 1st option. But 'marketing' seems to influence.

Rematch · 09-01-2006, 06:41 PM

Hello, Mr. Mystic.

Rory McDonell · 09-01-2006, 06:50 PM

I think what you're talking about is a hybrid wrestling/judo style. No ippon and no gi, with hold down being empasized, and low points or penalities for poor shots is actually just wrestling.
However adding judo's higher emphasis on throws, with submissions being allowed would be a devastating combo.

This would also address serious discrepancies in both sports. Namely, freestyle wrestlers are trained to have a bad stance for MMA and self defense. Greco wrestlers are not allowed leg sweeps, trips, leg takedowns, or leg defences. And there are no submissions.

Judo is stuck using the gi (with obvious exceptions, Karo, Fedor), and from what I've seen has poor leg attacks and defence.

This new grappling style (Wudo? Jrestling?) would be highly effective. I like it.

**Q mystic** · 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rory_44

I think what you're talking about is a hybrid wrestling/judo style. No ippon and no gi, with hold down being empasized, and low points or penalities for poor shots is actually just wrestling.
However adding judo's higher emphasis on throws, with submissions being allowed would be a devastating combo.

This would also address serious discrepancies in both sports. Namely, freestyle wrestlers are trained to have a bad stance for MMA and self defense. Greco wrestlers are not allowed leg sweeps, trips, leg takedowns, or leg defences. And there are no submissions.

Judo is stuck using the gi (with obvious exceptions, Karo, Fedor), and from what I've seen has poor leg attacks and defence.

This new grappling style (Wudo? Jrestling?) would be highly effective. I like it.

Thats is it Rory. I think the judo in your idea would remain but the conceptual wrestling I would take from there would be more like your cross between greco and freestyle. But then we need the sub game. Which does take us to a takedown to top game.

It is just that without an ippon, how can we keep them to respect the standing?

I liked the old attempt at pro judo with 10 pts for a 'top' takedown and 7, 5 and 3 for the rest. A top 'control for (?) seconds scores 10, 7, 5 and 3 as well. Subs scores 10 and a restart.

20 point spread wins the game.

What do you think?

Leg shots should never be scored high. 3 max unless over the fulcrum. I mean, in mma it isnt neccessary to have a nice shot when in the corner and plenty from there succeed.

Rematch · 09-01-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rory_44

I think what you're talking about is a hybrid wrestling/judo style. No ippon and no gi, with hold down being empasized, and low points or penalities for poor shots is actually just wrestling.
However adding judo's higher emphasis on throws, with submissions being allowed would be a devastating combo.

This would also address serious discrepancies in both sports. Namely, freestyle wrestlers are trained to have a bad stance for MMA and self defense. Greco wrestlers are not allowed leg sweeps, trips, leg takedowns, or leg defences. And there are no submissions.

Judo is stuck using the gi (with obvious exceptions, Karo, Fedor), and from what I've seen has poor leg attacks and defence.

This new grappling style (Wudo? Jrestling?) would be highly effective. I like it.

Sounds like catch wrestling.

Rory McDonell · 09-01-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rematch

Sounds like catch wrestling.

without the works,

I was actually thinking it sounds a lot like that combat wrestling they do in Japan. Not 100% sure on the rules, but I saw a vid of Gomi competing. It looks pretty cool.

If a sport like that was widespread, with competitions, I think it would be a deadly start to MMA.

the ISWA seems to be moving in that direction, which is a positive step I think.

Rory McDonell · 09-01-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Q mystic

Thats is it Rory. I think the judo in your idea would remain but the conceptual wrestling I would take from there would be more like your cross between greco and freestyle. But then we need the sub game. Which does take us to a takedown to top game.

It is just that without an ippon, how can we keep them to respect the standing?

I liked the old attempt at pro judo with 10 pts for a 'top' takedown and 7, 5 and 3 for the rest. A top 'control for (?) seconds scores 10, 7, 5 and 3 as well. Subs scores 10 and a restart.

20 point spread wins the game.

What do you think?

Leg shots should never be scored high. 3 max unless over the fulcrum. I mean, in mma it isnt neccessary to have a nice shot when in the corner and plenty from there succeed.

I disagree about the leg shots, why go for the legs unless they're worth something? Its hard work to take someone down who isn't in a stand up stance.

**Q mystic** · 09-01-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rory_44

I disagree about the leg shots, why go for the legs unless they're worth something? Its hard work to take someone down who isn't in a stand up stance.

Depending that the guy was more for mma grappling than sport.

If sport, for sure shoot the legs, but when in mma grappling, we cannot have them counting on that as a simple takedown. Due to strikes and, when 'practicing' they may not expand their top takedown game so much.

When it comes to sport grappling, nogi judo would be 'cumbersome'.