Having trouble with no-gi oomaplata

anton · 03-16-2006, 08:28 AM

Hey,

I am having trouble with no-gi oomaplata. Basically i can't flatten the guy out. I'll try to explain it.

Lets say i am going to attack his left arm when he is in my guard. i can get to the point where i am parralell to him, my head is by his feet, my feet are by his head. I have figure foured my legs trapping his left arm. Here is where i get into trouble. Sometimes i can flatten him out, but more often than not he goes to step over my head, though sometimes i can turn it into a sweep. To flatten my opponent out so i can begin to situp how should i grab the leg that is closest to me? Should i reach over across his hamstring or under and across his quad? If i understand correctly from that point i should ideally try to straighten by body so i can extend his trapped arm and his leg in opposite directions, flattening him out.

I am happy because i am seeing more opportunities for the oomaplata, i just cant finish it as often as i would like. Any tips appreciated.

thanks

anton

Gsoares2 · 03-16-2006, 08:55 AM

Sitting up isnt your main priority.
You need to kick the leg down that is controlling his arm. Kick it down and make it straight.. This will put all the weight on his shoulder and flatten him out. Onyl once he is flattened out should you sit up. If he resist and tries to posture or post his hand, transition back around into a triangle.

if he is jumping over your head like you say.. Just turn belly down as hard as you can as he starts to come over. Since you know what is going to happen in the situations be rdy to move as soon as you feel his weight shifting. When you turn belly down the same way he is rolling you will sweep him.

Watch this video, and youll see Pe De pano doing an omo platta and turning it into the sweep im talking about. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3083642&q=ADCC

He is at 3:45

**Foolkiller** · 03-16-2006, 09:30 AM

Gsoares has it. Straighten your leg so the back of your knee slams down against their shoulder and make sure your heel touches the floor before you sit up. If he does resists and you don't fancy going for the triangle counter, the toehold is still there. I also like to finish with a half nelson just to hold them as it can stop them rolling forward or posturing back.

anton · 03-16-2006, 09:55 AM

Thanks alot guys, those details help alot. I have seen that clip before, but did not know that was Pa De Peno. Cool. That throw that Rhadi does after that clip is awsome as well.

I will work on those details for the next match. Straightening my leg to bring his shoulder down was not something i had thought off. I always just kept figure foured and tried to sit up. Going belly down in sweep is not something that had occured to me either. I would just grab his leg and try to heave him over. Going belly down while holding onto his leg undoubtebly seems more effecient.

thanks

anton

RoyceGracieBJJ · 03-16-2006, 10:23 AM

Yea you have a toe hold there if you are struggling to finish the omoplata.

randomg1t · 03-16-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gsoares2

Sitting up isnt your main priority.
You need to kick the leg down that is controlling his arm. Kick it down and make it straight.. This will put all the weight on his shoulder and flatten him out. Onyl once he is flattened out should you sit up. If he resist and tries to posture or post his hand, transition back around into a triangle.

if he is jumping over your head like you say.. Just turn belly down as hard as you can as he starts to come over. Since you know what is going to happen in the situations be rdy to move as soon as you feel his weight shifting. When you turn belly down the same way he is rolling you will sweep him.

Watch this video, and youll see Pe De pano doing an omo platta and turning it into the sweep im talking about. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3083642&q=ADCC

He is at 3:45

wow cool comment man.

how about when people throw their leg over my head when i triangle them? i do the triangle and since im really small they usually pick me up so i hook their knee but when i turn to the side and reach for it they often throw their leg over my head and extend it breaking the triangle and escaping. i think i'd have trouble sweeping them by turning like you suggested, any counters to that?

**Foolkiller** · 03-16-2006, 11:09 AM

Transition to an armbar instead.

My bud Alex has got used to pulling out of some of my triangle set ups so I switch and get the arm instead if he tries to pass his leg over in front of me. Keep your arm hooked around his leg to really keep it tight, Don't cross your ankles like Dong Sik Yoon did outside their shoulder, it makes it harder for you to finish the lock. If anything, cross them inside his shoulder so when crossed ankles can push away his opposite bicep when you extend your leg.

Gsoares2 · 03-16-2006, 03:43 PM

I was going to say the same thing as superbeats. If you cant close the triangle dont continue to try and finish it. It will result in what your saying where the guy try's to throw a leg over and turn.. Opening you wide up.

Everytime i go to close the triangle on bigger guys. Even if it feels slightly tight i switch to armlock. I dont like all that extra pressure on my knee. The way i get it is... Same exact way you set up a triangle. Grab the Shin and pull DOWN over their back and keep that grip on the shin. Start walking your grip down your shin toward your knee untill you can pass your forarm infront of their face.. STILL KEEP THE GRIP. Now the leg you would normaly use to close the triangle just passes in front of the face. Keep the feet pointing down and finish the lock. The grip on the shin stops them from posturing.

like Super said.. dont cross the feet. Only time i cross the feet is if i am under the shoulder of the arm i am not atacking. It allows you to attack both arms and keeps things nice and tight.

thewaterchapter · 03-16-2006, 04:13 PM

like what superbeast said... to be honest, i would only use the omoplata as a straight transition move... especially in no gi. if the guy is sweating even slightly, he can pull out rather easy.... or if he hooked his arm and grabbed his shorts, then theres no way you can crank that arm.

i know its not the answer youre looking for... but personally, i dont use the omoplata for a sub anymore.. it simply isnt effective... but it makes an unreal transition move.

anton · 03-16-2006, 08:45 PM

i will keep that in mind about the oomaplata as a transition move. I try it alot because i want to get better at it, but i dont finish it that much either. I see your point about the transition and sweep though, perhaps i will emphasize that aspect of it.

anton