[ElKarlo]

As a leglocker. I would be worried if someone was spinning on top of me. I think inheritantly the postition is dangerous untill you lock down their spinning/rolling movements. That being said I probably try to bicylekick them away, to play it safe.

I think you have some good thoughts, but I didn't see where you took leglocks into account.

[ShanghaiBJJ]

Originally Posted by ElKarlo

As a leglocker. I would be worried if someone was spinning on top of me. I think inheritantly the postition is dangerous untill you lock down their spinning/rolling movements. That being said I probably try to bicylekick them away, to play it safe.

I think you have some good thoughts, but I didn't see where you took leglocks into account.

I think you are misinterpreting the position. We are talking about this:



No too much leg lock potential there...

[ElKarlo]

Originally Posted by ShanghaiBJJ

I think you are misinterpreting the position. We are talking about this:



No too much leg lock potential there...

I think I am. Sorry. Though I do at that position try and spin or roll for a toehold. In NoGi I can pull that off. With a Gi, no prolly not.

Sorry for the leglocking highjacking

[codemonkey76]

What i have been doing from this position is backward rolling over my right shoulder using my left underhook to reach for the sky and once i get my hips off the ground just shoot them straight up in the air, i have got it a few times, i don't recall seeing the technique anywhere but it could have invaded my subconscious from the numerous threads i have read and instructionals i have seen, your thoughts anyone?

[ShanghaiBJJ]

Originally Posted by ElKarlo

I think I am. Sorry. Though I do at that position try and spin or roll for a toehold. In NoGi I can pull that off. With a Gi, no prolly not.

Sorry for the leglocking highjacking

All good.... I get antsy anyone faces my legs that likes leglocks or that I don't know anything about so fair play.

[ShanghaiBJJ]

Originally Posted by codemonkey76

What i have been doing from this position is backward rolling over my right shoulder using my left underhook to reach for the sky and once i get my hips off the ground just shoot them straight up in the air, i have got it a few times, i don't recall seeing the technique anywhere but it could have invaded my subconscious from the numerous threads i have read and instructionals i have seen, your thoughts anyone?

Well, if you are opening your legs to post before you roll him, it is essentially the same as technique #1, described by TS.

BTW, did you manage to train in Beijing?

[Gsoares2]

As they turn to face the legs i block their arm so they cannot turn back to face my head again.. and take the nearest ankle and throw it over my head as i launch my hips into the air.. its a roll over and a simple solution to this pass. using the pic below as a reference my left hand would go right behind his tricep close to the armpit. My right hand would grab his ankle of his trailing leg (left) and rotate it over my head as i launch my hips up.

But the thing is you can only do it as he turns.. if he has turned and his hips are on the ground.. your screwed... and then option #2 come sin to play.



If his hips are set then i move for this. I get up on my elbow on the same side his hips are on. My other hand goes to his shorts/pants right at the butt crack. Grab the pants.. and then as he pulls his leg out to pass half guard simply tug him forward from the butt crack grip and slide to his back. It sounds easy, and it really is.. YOU HAVE TO stay on your elbow though.. other wise you wont have the space needed to go to the back.
using the above pic as a reference. I would sit up on my right elbow. Left hand would be the one on the pants/shorts, Left elbow will be framed against his back to keep the distance as well.

Important - when playing this guard dont let the above position happen with your arm there. i move my left arm to his back to do the above mentioned sweeps. In the pic your are proned to getting kimura'd. When moving the arm to the back never let the guy close the space and force your arm up to your head. If so.. the above mentioned sweeps will be useless as you will be pinned with no real exit other than to let him pass and try to recover.

You can keep your elbows in his back in order to keep some space and stop him from locking your down.

[Sherdog_Mutt]

ShanghaiBJJ: The guy can't gain mount from you cause you're bridging hard in #1. The momentum has his weight going backwards. The weak underhook helps ensure that the guy rolls over with you. If I have to, I can also pull up on the left leg to help finish the sweep.

For the most part, I agree with you re: kimura. However, it is difficult for the guy to finish the submission once you have wedged your elbow into your side. The best option is to initiate the sweep prior to his having locked in the grip needed to finish the sub.

Aesopian: Let me know how the sweeps work out for you. I've seen your option A before but for some reason have not been trying it. I'll give it a whirl and see what happens. I think your option B sounds like an awesome option for when you're sure the guy's going to pull his leg free. I'll definitely give both a try. Thanks.

Gsoares2: I've got to try those techniques too. Thanks for sharing.

[Gsoares2]

Originally Posted by Sherdog_Mutt

ShanghaiBJJ: The guy can't gain mount from you cause you're bridging hard in #1. The momentum has his weight going backwards. The weak underhook helps ensure that the guy rolls over with you. If I have to, I can also pull up on the left leg to help finish the sweep.

For the most part, I agree with you re: kimura. However, it is difficult for the guy to finish the submission once you have wedged your elbow into your side. The best option is to initiate the sweep prior to his having locked in the grip needed to finish the sub.

Aesopian: Let me know how the sweeps work out for you. I've seen your option A before but for some reason have not been trying it. I'll give it a whirl and see what happens. I think your option B sounds like an awesome option for when you're sure the guy's going to pull his leg free. I'll definitely give both a try. Thanks.

Gsoares2: I've got to try those techniques too. Thanks for sharing.

My second sweep, and Aesopians B sweep are the same sweep described differently.
If you have trouble getting it to work - pull details from both our explanations to get it working.
Aesop has knack for describing techniques in text and vocally.. so his might be of better aid.

[Zankou]

Originally Posted by tudor_bjj

Zankou, what's your build? And why exactly did you give up scooting under the opponent?

6'1, 195, basically a Braulio clone. I have a really long torso and long arms, wiry build. I just don't scoot under well. Too much length. And I decided that any position where the primary defense is to aggressively crossface/whizzer/smash me is not one I want to play, since I don't enjoy being smashed like a bug. I'd rather play half butterfly or quarter, where my opponent doesn't want to smash me because it works against him.

If I can really boot my opponent forward with the underhook, then I'll take it. But I won't take a shallow underhook and try to work deeper while my opponent frenetically tries to crossface/sprawl/whizzer me. If I can't go deep from the start, I'd rather go quarter/half butterfly/z.

Damnit, I wish there was somebody at my school besides me who likes to drill this stuff. Nobody ever wants to drill. And my wife REFUSES to pitch in.