Grappling in the WEC 31/UFN (spoilers) - Page 3

Garrett E. · 12-14-2007, 10:13 AM

Im just going to comment on Fabers back defense.

It was great, good wrist control, he hardly even got punched. Also, he gaurded the RNC for what was literally more than half the round.

I think it does show something when you are in the most vunerable position and can manage to not tap/avoid getting punched.

Magooglie · 12-14-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Flounder

What was the choke Jens used?? It looked like a Brabo or Darce w/o the arm. Also looked a little like a baseball bat choke. I also hear alot of people calling it a No-Gi ezekiel, but in my experience, the Ezekiel w/o the gi isn't very effective, plus Jens' bicep was behind the guys head. Any thoughts?? Also, Mir had mentioned it being a 10 finger guillotine, but from the instructionals I've seen, it was nothing like a 10 finger.

It was like a guillotine except the top of Cub's head was initially on Jens' belly and Jens had his arms locked like an RNC. Then he dragged Cub onto his back.

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RadBoy · 12-14-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kimurense

Sonnen is the prototipe of what filho doesn't like, a guy he can't take down (not many can say that), and that out-boxe's him. Sonnen would of won that fight, it makes my blood boil when you see a fighter do a mistake like that. where was his coach? why did his coach not tell him to stand the f###k up!?

I agree, there was no reason Sonnen should have taken that fight to the ground. He was tearing Filho up standing. I also agree with the stoppage, Filho was going to take Sonnens arm back to Brasil with him.

IChinaManI · 12-14-2007, 12:02 PM

filho stoppage was good, sonnen was in pain after the first half assed armbar attempt. This one was locked in. Filho really would have brken the damn thing after another 3-4 seconds.

LocalNmass · 12-14-2007, 01:07 PM

Sonnen/Filho was a strange fight, early in the fight sonnen takes him down/slams him and you can hear people yell "he's out" then you see a very laque luster performance from filho, makes me think he was out....? It's amazing to see how smoothly filho seems to go for an arm, and the guy doesn't see it coming/isn't afraid?

Faber/curran, Faber is potentially an unparalelled athlete in mma, the guy is unreal. I'd like to see him step up and fight @ 155 (i'm old school i like no time limits/no weight class') just to see how much his athleticism is advantage/responsible for his sucess.

TacWar · 12-14-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRuckus337

I was blow away by Faber. He was unquestionably the better grappler out there. His aggressiveness gave up mount and back control in the first minute of the fight, but he navigated himself out of it calmly and without ever being in serious jeopardy. He controlled and confused Curran for the 60 seconds he had him in guard with his bizarre leg-cradle, and he eventually finished the fight by pulling off a great guillotine. The fact of the matter is that Faber DOMINATED a gracie black belt on the ground, and did so in exciting and dramatic fashion.

I'm going to have to disagree...he was taken down and passed with ease then mounted and gave up his back, he did defend well while on the back, but I find finishing from the back in no gi is one of the hardest things to do since you only have really two high percentage moves that your opponent if he has ever had a BJJ class knows you are going to try. Really he didn't grapple with Curran at all, he did his damage by being in curran's guard and then dropping elbows..something we have seen every wrestler do. the only move that he did actually pull off was a choke on someone that was rocked with a knee...I was impressed with his athletic ability(speed and strength) but not at all with his grappling.

Uriah is a great fighter and has a great skill set b/c of his attributes, but he is far from being a technician.

Jinzumkei · 12-14-2007, 02:49 PM

I was very impressed with Faber, but my favorite was Jens because I like him so much as a fighter, it's nice to see him pickup a sub win because that doesnt happen very much.

colinm · 12-14-2007, 03:49 PM

wait what? faber dominated curran? you gotta be kidding me.

i still can't believe filho got that armbar...it was a weird looking setup, he just kinda threw his foot in front of sonnen's face without even moving his hips out. very strange...anyway, i don't know why the hell sonnen took that fight to the ground in the first place. he was beating the bjesus out of filho on the feet, and it didn't look like filho could get him down. But Sonnen can't bitch about the stoppage because he screamed. you put a ref in a tough place because he could interpret it as a verbal submission, and his job is to protect the fighters.

jens' choke was diesel. i didn't expect it.

codemonkey76 · 12-14-2007, 10:54 PM

what was sonnen saying to the ref in the first round when he took filho down... was it "he's out, he's out" is that why filho was so lacklustre

Intalo · 05-22-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TacWar

I'm going to have to disagree...he was taken down and passed with ease then mounted and gave up his back, he did defend well while on the back, but I find finishing from the back in no gi is one of the hardest things to do since you only have really two high percentage moves that your opponent if he has ever had a BJJ class knows you are going to try. Really he didn't grapple with Curran at all, he did his damage by being in curran's guard and then dropping elbows..something we have seen every wrestler do. the only move that he did actually pull off was a choke on someone that was rocked with a knee...I was impressed with his athletic ability(speed and strength) but not at all with his grappling.

Uriah is a great fighter and has a great skill set b/c of his attributes, but he is far from being a technician.

I co0mpletely agree.

This is what I was trying to say all along.

I'll admit the Bravo example wasn't the best one, but my point is, if fighter A takes you down a couple times with ease, passes and rides a dominant position with ease, and almost gets a submission, but then ends up getting tapped in a scurried dazed shuffle, does that really mean fighter B DOMINATED the grappling portion? No of course not.

I'll admit being impolite and shit about it was innappropiate, but I mean its really a simple thing to understand that you don't dominate the grappling portion of the match just b/c you end up catching a submission in rather unclean fashion.