[Manatee]

All I have to say is, ARGH. It's a great throw but sometimes the guy just stiff arms you and hunches over so you can't get in. Real defensive like. I can normally nail it if someone doesn't play real defensively. I was looking at how Koga breaks his Ippon-Seoi Nage down and it seems to alleviate someone who likes to fight really defensively. Here's a video of Koga showing how he does it.

YouTube - KOGA

Anyone have any recommendations on how I can finish this throw? What sort of techniques do you use to set it up, when do you strike? I mostly do a left side ippon seoi nage, I don't drop. Any tips would be helpful.

[YeahBee]

not one of my go to throws at all

the only time I really use it is when I fake ippon seo entry to get a osoto-gari and jsut stumble upon the opportunity to finish the ip-seo

I guesss mine is a seo-otoshi thou

Ippon Seo with a lapel grip can really suprise some people

Judo chop the arm who is holding your lapel (: and jsut turn in, the grip he is stiff arm you with on the sleeve side won't help him

[KenTheWalrus]

Originally Posted by Manatee

All I have to say is, ARGH. It's a great throw but sometimes the guy just stiff arms you and hunches over so you can't get in. Real defensive like. I can normally nail it if someone doesn't play real defensively. I was looking at how Koga breaks his Ippon-Seoi Nage down and it seems to alleviate someone who likes to fight really defensively. Here's a video of Koga showing how he does it.

YouTube - KOGA

Anyone have any recommendations on how I can finish this throw? What sort of techniques do you use to set it up, when do you strike? I mostly do a left side ippon seoi nage, I don't drop. Any tips would be helpful.

I'm not sure where your problem is at. To me, a stiff arm is a gift for me to use ippon seoi. Hunching over can also help with the throw since they are already off balanced a little, but if they are too far over to get your hips in then the over the back grip is money from there.

How are you gripping for your entry that the stiff arm is preventing you? Is it a double stiff arm?

Break one of the double stiff arms. I usually pop the arm up since they generally have a high lapel grip when they double stiff arm. I aim at the wrist or the elbow when I pop the arm up. With my other hand I already have an established grip at the arm pit. When I turn in I use my body for the torque to get kuzushi instead of just pulling with my arm. By the time I've finished dropping my base and fully turning they are already loaded and all I have to do is turn them over.

You can also roll your shoulder back so that the stiff arm goes over your shoulder. I do this sometimes to close the distance. The bad part is that uke's arm sometimes is too high for a "safe" seoi and leaves an opening for hadaka jime. To counter this I grip at the elbow with my same side hand and pull the elbow down into the ippon/bicep grip with the other arm as I turn in. This grip setup is slower than the one I described above and lower percentage for me (as far as getting the ippon).

I hope some of that made sense. -ken

[judogido]

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. If it doesnt work for you, then move on to another throw.

You have to find out what throws work for you and what throws don't.

ISN doesn't work for everyone - especially taller on shorter.

I prefer a drop version. Even standing I prefer a left version off a right-lapel grip and then it works best when they are taller and reaching for an over-the-top or high-lapel grip.

Breaking balance is most important too. Usually beginners sit WAY too far back on their heels on this one.

Still, you cannot FORCE a throw in any situation. If they are stiff-arming, then ISN with a standard 2-hands-on grip probably just won't work, (unless you are Koga).

[idahofireman]

A bad ippon seoi nage lost me the semis at the pan ams. It has been mothballed until I can really work on it.

[Kyuktooki]

A really bad seoi nage cost me the ligament in my right shoulder. Why would anyone have me sparring with a third degree Judo black belt anyway?

[damit2hell]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

Judo chop the arm who is holding your lapel (: and jsut turn in, the grip he is stiff arm you with on the sleeve side won't help him

like Austin Power's judo chop?

[POedBoy]

Originally Posted by Kyuktooki

A really bad seoi nage cost me the ligament in my right shoulder. Why would anyone have me sparring with a third degree Judo black belt anyway?

Urgh...sounds bad. Were you the uke or tori?

I really really want to get ippon seoi down. ( Whenever I think of judo, the image of someone doing a seoi nage comes to mind. )

But so far, no luck. In randori, I just can't get enough explosiveness to get the kuzushi and/or break any grips my partner has on me.

Come to think of it, I seem to be relying more on ashi waza, and the occasional sloppy sutemi. I don't have much success with hip or shoulder throws.

[beatnick]

To me the footwork was the most important, the instep and knees bent, the head movement and toes pointing to the throwing direction, feets close to each other, grabbing the arm/lapel as it was the fortune of the century, l am about to explode. Oh man...

I like the standing ISN but a very deep one so you can get up in the finishing moment for extra momentum.

[Nickynoneck]

Better find a way to get out of that botched seio i suggest drilling a kouchi setemi/makkikomi or kouchi gari cuz if your not hitting it you might as well use it as a fake .

one day you;ll hit it it will be awesome.