[vitor3000]

What are your thoughts on dirty tactics while training such as pulling fingers, grinding of the elbow on the face and so on?
Personally, I hate that shit, but than again I must not be used to em as other people cuz ima noob.

[Guards]

I tend to believe that the people who use 'dirty' tactics while training are the people you should avoid training with. Their mentality even in training is not to improve their technique, even through defeat. Their mentality tends to be 'Victory at all costs', and the dirty fighters are the ones you can almost guarantee become the most offended or disturbed by a loss.

There are some legitimate tactics that 'feel' dirty sometimes though. These should be brought to the attention of your opponent if you are uncomfortable with accepting their application. In wrestling, Judo, Jiu-jitsu, etc. one of the common techniques is to apply heavy leverage and weight from a top-position to gain or maintain dominance. In some cases, this includes using your forehead/cheekbone/shoulder as weight, and can be quite uncomfortable to the receiver, especially if they have other minor injuries from training(a bruise on the cheek can be aggravated quite a bit by someone levering their forehead on your cheekbone with most of their bodyweight)

[fightme]

Some things are more "dirty" than others. Some are simply unpleasant.

=== Not Dirty(but unpleasant) ===
1.) Digging elbows into inner thigh is
2.) Using your gut(if you are a fat guy) to smother. Personally I think this is hella weak because it requires no technique.
3.) Knee on belly


=== Borderline(kinda rude) ===
1.) Driving thumb knuckle down jawline to open up choke


=== Dirty ===
1.) Bending fingers
2.) Forearm against nose to open up choke
3.) Throwing elbows

[Foppa21]

Knee on belly? THat's a position. Although as a smaller guy most in my club don't use it against me or don't apply full weight. But it's legit as then come IMO.

Elbows to inner thigh is also not popular (we're not supposed to use them in training it demonstrates "a lack of technique"). But sometimes we posture with elbows in and it's pretty natural to drive the elbow in a bit. But no full on rub in there to open up the guard with no posturing or any other technique demonstrated.

[pinecone]

I personally think that if someone has your back they ought to do what they feel they need to do to get you to give up the choke (running the thumb donw the neck, for arm across the nose, ect). If you don't like having these things done to you then you should give up the choke - its a choice. How else are are supposed to learn to make people give up the chokes in tournaments if you never do the nastly stuff in practice. That said, using these tactics for no purpose, other than to cause discomfort, seems mean and inappropriate for trainning.

Pinecone

[Flounder]

the elbow in thigh is a guard pass I've been shown. I wouldn't call that dirty

[blanko]

the elbow in thigh is a guard opening pass and a legit move.

[Matt Thornton]

I started off with wrestling so it's just natural for me to make guys extremely uncomfortable with things like crossfaces and posting my weight on my forearms or whatever. I make sure that I don't open myelf up for armbars of course. But when I'm on top, I generally make it a pretty uncomfortable experience. I don't hurt people, but it's just part of the game. It's how we practice at wrestling.

[pitviper259]

Originally Posted by blanko

the elbow in thigh is a guard opening pass and a legit move.

he said its not dirty, but rather unpleasant which it is

[Foolkiller]

It is not that unpleasant when you get used to the pain.