Defending the knee slide pass in half-guard

Galahad · 10-07-2009, 07:07 PM

OK before people rag on me to ask my instructor I did, I just wanna see what tips or advice anyone else has.

My instructor told me to grab the leg pants near the foot while it's still caught in my half-guard, grab the pants near the knee of the other leg that is outside my control, rotate my knees (so if I have his right leg then my knees will be pointing towards my right, I then twist them so they point towards my left) while taking him over.

Now I have been doing something similar to this, except I haven't been grabbing the free leg..BUT...when rolling w/ my instructor who did this pass (this was before I asked for his tips) I tried rotating my knees but I felt like there was a car on my legs preventing me from doing this...any ideas?

Also has anyone tried doing that pendulum thing w/ their legs like people who try to go to deep half-guard do? It's where you extend your legs straight out and then sort of rock back and forth? I've thought about trying it but feel like I might lose control of the foot.

Anyways thanks!

Galahad · 10-07-2009, 09:40 PM

Ah just thought of something else, would it be possible to go to a reverse dlr type position as a counter?

Bathwater · 10-07-2009, 10:26 PM

Greatest Half Guard Thread Ever

Post #579. Hope this helps.

randomg1t · 10-08-2009, 03:06 AM

the deep halfguard is what i'm trying to work on too when they do that, and i've had some limited success. don't worry about losing position, it's only training and you're trying to learn something. the more you try it, the better you'll get at it.

oh yeah and the "The greatest halfguard thread ever" is gold, pure gold i tell ya.

when i feel that they'll get their knee too far out and are about to pass, i get some distance by pressing my knee on their side (the knee on the non-halfguarding leg), then i sit up, turn into them and grab a single. it's a last resort sort of thing, not really a pass prevention, more like a counter when all else fails.

josht · 10-08-2009, 07:31 AM

I like to use Eddie Bravo's lockdown. In addition to double underhooks. As far as rocking back and forth, it does work but I have had a lot of success with throwing my legs pushing off with my underhooks and getting to my knees. I don't agree with a lot of Eddie Bravo's theories but his half guard stuff in that rubber guard book is out of sight.

esila · 10-08-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Galahad

Now I have been doing something similar to this, except I haven't been grabbing the free leg..BUT...when rolling w/ my instructor who did this pass (this was before I asked for his tips) I tried rotating my knees but I felt like there was a car on my legs preventing me from doing this...any ideas?
Also has anyone tried doing that pendulum thing w/ their legs like people who try to go to deep half-guard do? It's where you extend your legs straight out and then sort of rock back and forth? I've thought about trying it but feel like I might lose control of the foot.
Anyways thanks!

TS - thanks for asking your instructor and providing detailed feedback - this is exactly the type of stuff where you'll get much more specific responses / better advice!

When you attempt to rotate your knees / still have his leg caught, can you provide us with more details into this exact moment? i.e. is his knee touching the mat already? Or is his knee still trapped in your half guard near your belly button? Or is his knee still trapped deeper in your half guard and you still have a nice "bite" with your legs, triangled around the knee (it's not at your belly button)? Each of these positions call for different measures to take when attempting to rotate his knee back out.

And to answer your question - yes, reverse DLR is another viable option to counter that knee cut pass, however this implies that you've been able to turn his knee out and away from you. From there it's more of a reverse DLR discussion rather than half guard theory. Hope this helps!

esila · 10-08-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by josht

I like to use Eddie Bravo's lockdown. In addition to double underhooks. As far as rocking back and forth, it does work but I have had a lot of success with throwing my legs pushing off with my underhooks and getting to my knees. I don't agree with a lot of Eddie Bravo's theories but his half guard stuff in that rubber guard book is out of sight.

This is another viable option, however I personally feel the lockdown loses its effectiveness (along with any other half guard options) once your opponent's knee gets to your belly button or his knee gets to the mat (pretty much almost done with the knee cut pass), which is what I believe the TS was referring to.

KILL KILL · 10-08-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by josht

I like to use Eddie Bravo's lockdown. In addition to double underhooks. As far as rocking back and forth, it does work but I have had a lot of success with throwing my legs pushing off with my underhooks and getting to my knees. I don't agree with a lot of Eddie Bravo's theories but his half guard stuff in that rubber guard book is out of sight.

the lockdown always works for me. I know when someone uses it on me it's very annoying for me to get out of so i started using it myself

Galahad · 10-08-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by esila

When you attempt to rotate your knees / still have his leg caught, can you provide us with more details into this exact moment? i.e. is his knee touching the mat already? Or is his knee still trapped in your half guard near your belly button? Or is his knee still trapped deeper in your half guard and you still have a nice "bite" with your legs, triangled around the knee (it's not at your belly button)? Each of these positions call for different measures to take when attempting to rotate his knee back out.

Thanks for the responses everyone.

And esila, the knee was touching the mat already..but I would love to hear how to rotate out in the other positions as well.

Thanks!

xMikeyX · 10-08-2009, 10:16 AM

This is something that should be drilled by everyone by the way-

A simple way of thinking of this pass defense is to think of it from the view of the passer:

Passer wants:
Keep your bottom leg in place (to lift his knee out)
Knee to point Perpendicular

On the bottom you want to prevent these things from coming under your opponents control.

I'd reccomend what your instructor says but to also realize that if you can turn on your side and eventually onto your knees while switching the hooks on his trapped leg grabbing the hip and leg of your opponent's free leg and homer simpsoning under him is a viable option.

You should also tinker with the idea of using your hand to point his knee in the opposite direction from the start.