Dealing with wrestlers (**Judo/Randori**)

[EndoG]

One thing I haven't heard with regard to "dealing with wrestlers" is using judo takedowns.
Specifically (and yes, I'm very new to judo) I find that I have almost 0 success applying my judo against people using a crouched wrestling stance.

Tips on what to work on look for in general?

(And if you're feeling generous any suggestions about what I should work on -- I'm 6'2 ~200lbs (very lean and long legged build). The throws I've been putting the most time into so far are: Ochi Gari, Kouchi Gari, Osoto Gari, and Tai Otoshi [work well with my height and they all provide a nice position for grappling after the throw].)

Thanks Judo guys and anyone else with recommendations.
I've been told "it's easy", just grab the other guy by the belt when they crouch and Osoto Gari, but I've had 0 luck with that so far.

[flikerstance]

Originally Posted by EndoG

One thing I haven't heard with regard to "dealing with wrestlers" is using judo takedowns.
Specifically (and yes, I'm very new to judo) I find that I have almost 0 success applying my judo against people using a crouched wrestling stance.

Tips on what to work on look for in general?

(And if you're feeling generous any suggestions about what I should work on -- I'm 6'2 ~200lbs (very lean and long legged build). The throws I've been putting the most time into so far are: Ochi Gari, Kouchi Gari, Osoto Gari, and Tai Otoshi [work well with my height and they all provide a nice position for grappling after the throw].)

Thanks Judo guys and anyone else with recommendations.
I've been told "it's easy", just grab the other guy by the belt when they crouch and Osoto Gari, but I've had 0 luck with that so far.

lol

[flikerstance]

that sounds tough trying to use a judo throw when a wrestler is crouching. Try to shoot in on him.

[judogido]

Uchi-mata and sumi-gaeshi are my "weapons of choice" in this scenario...

[QingTian]

get him moving. nobody crouches 100% of the time.

[georgejjr]

Are you talking about gi or no-gi? If its no-gi, then the crouch is very effective, which is why you see olympic wrestlers using it. If gi, then go for over the back grips, and break his posture ... the gi makes a huge difference. The Georgian grip for instance is very effective against an opponent who is crouched over - he's basically giving you control.

But if you're just beginning judo, talk to your instructor - its too early to work on grips.

[codemonkey76]

all the throws you mentioned except the tai otoshi are backward throws, I have been told the best offense against a crouched stance are forward throws, like uchi mata. as judogi said sumi gaeshi is great coz they are practically giving you the over the back grip.

[Q mystic]

Yep. Its because you are new to judo.

All due respect, the typical wrestlers crouch is the last thing any would want to do in a gi with grips on each other.

Are you specifically talking about a wrestler or just a bent over fighter?

You would have to be more specific but I'll tell you, as you said you are new, the answer is in the basics that you have prolly been learning.

I would really just keep trying harder to make what you have learnt work.

crouched fighter? Maybe since your new and lanky try osotos and a taiotoshi/koshiguruma thing(head and arm but with a behind the neck collar grip). Just take strong hand grips with a flexible arm, body and legs supporting them and attack often taking risks and forcing the throw sometimes. Twist him, wring him and smash him and keep attacking with it while controlling with your grips. One time it'll score, it'll click in and you'll know better what your looking for.

Its important that you really learn to get comfy with just moving around and staying in control with your grips on the fighter.

I bet I can tell you half the mistake right off the bat, especially if he is a wrestler. He's goin hard and you might not have 'learned' how to yet.

Wrestlers 'take it easy' at practice and thats still goin 95%. You as a typical judoka working with other recs who wanna take it easy(doesn't happen in wrestling) might often have to work your osoto like 'twist, leg behind and drive all while smoothly accelerating torque to maybe 100%' and that sucks. When you fight another 'vet' be it judo or wrestler at judo, you gotta smash him. You can save power for certain times but when you work shit in randori you gotta be split speeed and IMPACT baby! Don't fuck around thinking lets see how this works. Just sssssss...BAM! If it didn't work, then make sure he at least felt very uncomfortable in your attempt. Its an offensive sport. Take lots of risks and beat him down in the process. Lots of light, explosive uchikomi and lots of heavy randori.

See my av to the top left? Power kill machines. These fellas would make sure that the tech they have REALLY didn't work before moving on to another. I bet.

[Nickynoneck]

Originally Posted by codemonkey76

all the throws you mentioned except the tai otoshi are backward throws, I have been told the best offense against a crouched stance are forward throws, like uchi mata. as judogi said sumi gaeshi is great coz they are practically giving you the over the back grip.

With gi the best set up for a crouched oppenent is a belt grab tai toshi/uchi mata to a sumi geashi if the tai toshi/uchi mata is there take it but most likley he will resist it by bending his legs and kinda going into a football stance thats when you go for the sumi geashi or drop into a arm bar .

[yabanjames]

If he's wearing a gi, grab his belt over his right shoulder with your right hand, control his head with the back of your right arm, and do obitori gaeshi to your right, blocking his left foot with your right foot. Use your left arm to lift his right arm as you make the throw.

Or just do sasae tsurikomi ashi to whichever side you like better.