The Cross-Collar Choke Thread

[Sloth]

I was watching those chokes that he was doing also. His mount looks super stable and hard to move and it looks like he's good at clearing the hands to get access to the choke. If the hands are in the way, it looks like he has enough power with that choke to choke through the hands and bust someones face up pretty bad if they try to block it at all. His base is so wide and low that it looks like bumps from the bottom wouldn't do much to stall the choke and even if they manage to start to roll, it looks like it just makes it easier for him to sink the choke. Awesome.

[DarceBrabo]

Originally Posted by GracieMMABarra

I know it's going to sound dumb but Roger's commitment and confidence in using a front choke sets him apart from the rest. People are already psyched out of his game before even stepping on the mat. Roger's game is known by everyone in the entire area yet nobody can stop it. Mentally people are broken by the time he scores the mount and well, it's only a matter of time.

Not to mention the fact that he's huge, has ridiculous grip strength, and can bench press over 350lbs. Im sure that has ALOT to do with the effectiveness of his cross collar choke from mount.

[DaRuckus337]

Originally Posted by Sloth

I was watching those chokes that he was doing also. His mount looks super stable and hard to move and it looks like he's good at clearing the hands to get access to the choke. If the hands are in the way, it looks like he has enough power with that choke to choke through the hands and bust someones face up pretty bad if they try to block it at all. His base is so wide and low that it looks like bumps from the bottom wouldn't do much to stall the choke and even if they manage to start to roll, it looks like it just makes it easier for him to sink the choke. Awesome.

Sounds cool. Today I decided to start working on the cross collar chokes from mount. It's the only technique I attempted from mount all afternoon. I mean, if it's good enough for someone to submit their way through black belt world champions, then there's probably something to it.

[Ybot]

I agree with sloth. I think Roger's ability to finish this technique comes a lot from a very strong mount position, and then his patience. Mount is suppose to be one of the most dominate positions in BJJ, but people don't seem to train it enough IMO, probably because the see it as limiting your options for finishing the fight. Thing is if you have a strong stable mount and patience, your putting a lot of pressure on your opponent and you don't need so many options.

[MUFC]

The dude can stay low on his opponent's hips and still base with his head while being in position to choke. His body mechanics make that choke most effective. I'm a total noob, but wouldn't the grapevining add more strength to the choke? Kind of like pulling back with your legs when doing the choke from guard?

[Squidra]

At his level, it seems to be all in the details. His weight distribution, hip movement, balancing on one hand and the grip fighting on the other hand. I think once he gets mount and goes for the choke - his opponents are obviously trying to defend but he has this down to a science where he shuts down every attempt they make - the moves that happen in that situation seem to be tiny moves - putting a hand here or moving the hips over there etc. Roger just shuts it all down with perfect control before it goes anywhere. We all learned defenses to the mount and the choke - I am sure everyone tries their learned defenses but if Roger shuts it down right at the start - what can you do...I find it amazing at what level of detail those guys must be operating...my guess is that there is a lot of technique going back and forth in the 30 seconds it takes him to choke someone even though you can't really see it.

[Sherdog_Mutt]

It does appear that Roger's stable base in the mount gives him a great platform to launch the cross-collar choke. I also noticed how good Roger is at clearing the hands. It's like he swats them away like an annoying mosquito. I'm going to watch more videos of him doing it. It shouldn't be this easy to do, should it?

[Oliver Geddes]

Originally Posted by DarceBrabo

Not to mention the fact that he's huge, has ridiculous grip strength, and can bench press over 350lbs. Im sure that has ALOT to do with the effectiveness of his cross collar choke from mount.

Dare I ask how precisely you know how much Roger can bench? Because, not to puncture his legacy, I'm pretty sure he can't bench that much. Or even close. But maybe you have resources I don't. ^_-

Take care,

Stalks

[cheath]

I don't think I've ever hit a lapel choke on anybody in the 15 months I've been doing BJJ, except a couple Ezekial's a long time ago. For reason, I just don't see the gi as a tool to use like that.

Cross collar choke is where you reach say your left hand to their left collar palm up, then slide your right hand UNDER that to their right collar, thus making an X across their throat, then flare both elbows up towards their head right?

Any good instructionals? Man, saying out loud that I can't even remember ever getting a collar choke on someone in over a year of training sheds a whole other light on it! It's pretty damn problematic!

[Jagcorps_esq]

Originally Posted by Stalkachu

Dare I ask how precisely you know how much Roger can bench? Because, not to puncture his legacy, I'm pretty sure he can't bench that much. Or even close. But maybe you have resources I don't. ^_-

Take care,

Stalks

I don't really think that's a stretch.

I can go throw 280 right now without even working out (I did it about three weeks ago, just goofing around) just based on strength gained from rolling. I easily did over 350 when putting a bit of focus into it when playing football...and I was not a serious bencher.

I imagine Roger works a lot harder than I do on a daily basis and probably does weight training to supplement his BJJ. He's no small guy at 6'4 and 220 lbs.

350 does not seem out the realm of possibilities for him.