[anaconda]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

...Dunno about that, he gave lots of very specific advice on what to try from the closed guard. The closed guard was getting Tim raped and when, after much badgering from his corner, he switched to butterfly, it definately meant he was eating less leather and in position to scramble more and try different subs.

Yeah, but thats not my point. Butterfly could have (and probably was) a better plan for him. But if you tell the guy to switch to butterfly for half a round and hes not then he obviously doesnt feel comfortable doing it. Forget the butterfly for now, and help him with what he is trying to do RIGHT NOW.

When the round is over talk about game plan.

[UrbanSavage]

Originally Posted by anaconda

Well thats probably because most people on here dont know what a good corner is. A good corner would have enabled Tim to win that fight, 1000%. Tim was technically superior on the ground by far.

Maybe the people who disagree with me didnt see the same fight I saw?

From what I've seen, Credeur's butterfly guard sweeps are his best weapon off his back. That was the only spot where he was getting offense going against Jesse, and Riddle spoke highly of Credeur's butterfly guard after he fought him. He absolutely needed to get to butterfly guard, and when he chose to get there he did well.

I've rolled with Jesse quite a few times and his top game/athleticism/strength wears on you, I'm pretty sure Credeur was just being beaten mentally and physically and didn't have it in him to win that fight. He needed to work from butterfly guard, and that was the best advice his corner could have possibly given him.

[UrbanSavage]

Originally Posted by anaconda

Yeah, but thats not my point. Butterfly could have (and probably was) a better plan for him. But if you tell the guy to switch to butterfly for half a round and hes not then he obviously doesnt feel comfortable doing it. Forget the butterfly for now, and help him with what he is trying to do RIGHT NOW.

When the round is over talk about game plan.

Sometimes, a beaten down fighter who's exhausted just needs to hear his coach demand something out of him. A few times in the fight, after he basically ordered Credeur to go there, he went there. I think, at that point, Credeur just didn't want his guard passed and was content to hang out and avoid the TKO, though.

[LocalNmass]

Congrats to cameron, i thought his coaching was good for TUF creduer fight.

[Spoonman7]

this thread is gettingway off topic.

[rudysiberia]

good work

[Kyuktooki]

Tim had an injured shoulder and as a result the butterfly was difficult for him to do. Anyways, congrats to Cam.

[jjwvic]

i thought he was a solid corner man for tim during that fight

[VegasFighter]

Cam's a great teacher, and he was a damn good corner man on the show. His corner's record alone on the show should prove that. Even during the elimination fights, Rampage made the comment to Forrest "Your corner is kicking my corner's ass"


Not to mention he received his black from the same guy who gave Frank Mir his, so Cam is no joke with the Jits.

[Knots619]

deadly stuff